SE is learning...

Looking back at when Darklight gear was static with no upgrade options (like Doman Gear Upgrade), I feel like SE is learning, albeit somewhat at their own pace, and making some decent changes.

I enjoy the fact that most gear has upgrade options so you can keep on playing towards a goal.

What things have you, my fellow forum-ers, noticed that SE has learned since the start of 2.0?

Notable things include:

- No more silly T3 nonsense (Old Turn 3 of First Coil. Adds with no loot)
- Story Mode, Hard mode, Extreme. We revolted and now it looks like two primals is enough
- For some, ditching the class system

What is T4 nonsense?

In adding to the discussion having much more gear options available to you could be considered something they're doing different this time around. You're not just stuck with your DL (Law) gear this time around while waiting for enough tomes to buy your other stuff, you've got law, you've got Alexander Normal and your Estoterics/Alex Savage gear. So that's nice.

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Originally Posted by Xairos

Notable things include:

- No more silly T4 nonsense

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sounds like you haven't done savage yet '-'

Oops my bad, I meant Turn 3

They seem to have learned that putting gates on weekly gates is what the playerbase secretly desires. Enter red scrips.

They have definitely learned to put 2 difficulties into raid so people won't riot about not seeing the story.
Maybe they learned a bit with the new pvp map, it feels better.

But we still have low difficulty dungeons and story trials, pvp gc restrictions and other stuff. So yep, if SE is learning, it is learning at an extremely slow pace. Wouldn't mind if they speed up a bit in future.

To me it feels like they haven't learned anything. Everything feels the same, yet a little worse.

SE should really do some forum poll about how much people believe in them and their ability to learn from feedback. They might be surprised. xD (negatively)

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

They have definitely learned to put 2 difficulties into raid so people won't riot about not seeing the story.
Maybe they learned a bit with the new pvp map, it feels better.

But we still have low difficulty dungeons and story trials, pvp gc restrictions and other stuff. So yep, if SE is learning, it is learning at an extremely slow pace. Wouldn't mind if they speed up a bit in future.

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Impossible. They hated the speed run.

Learning? IMO they just keep making male outfit as unisex while female still female. Mages outfit still a curtain dress. Glamour still restricted to each class. Crafted equipment don't have any special things either for BiS or glamour.

I wish they'd REMEMBER a few things. Like how people *despised* the garbage loot chests way back when and it got so bad they actually changed it so gear made for guaranteed drops in Halatali HM and the like. And now that the loot tables are *enormous* in Heavensward dungeons due to having more classes and having full armor AND accessory sets we have side chests which give us grade 2 clear prisms. They CAN give more gear in theory but almost never do in my experiences.

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Originally Posted by RyuRoots

...we have side chests which give us grade 2 clear prisms.

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Don't forget the random ugly dyes! :D

Anyway, I see some improvements like the Normal/Story version of Alexander along with the uncapped Law Tomestones for easy gearing of alts. They upped the rewards of daily hunt marks, making them a viable option for people to get exp/seals/gil.

But then there are other areas where I'm left scratching my head, like the complete fiasco they've made of crafting/gathering where it's such a worthless grind now.

Sometimes it's like two steps foward, one step back, where they excel in one area, they completely miss the mark in another.

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Originally Posted by RyuRoots

I wish they'd REMEMBER a few things. Like how people *despised* the garbage loot chests way back when and it got so bad they actually changed it so gear made for guaranteed drops in Halatali HM and the like. And now that the loot tables are *enormous* in Heavensward dungeons due to having more classes and having full armor AND accessory sets we have side chests which give us grade 2 clear prisms. They CAN give more gear in theory but almost never do in my experiences.

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gear drops a lot more in heavensward dungeons though , usually around 8 per run

And they did learn , some things are a lot better, but then there are strange decisions that just seem bad and really make no sense, like having to return to ishgard for all leves.
So it's strange how they improve some things and do some things so well then mess up other things that seem obvious

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Originally Posted by Rikkustrife

gear drops a lot more in heavensward dungeons though , usually around 8 per run

And they did learn , some things are a lot better, but then there are strange decisions that just seem bad and really make no sense, like having to return to ishgard for all leves.
So it's strange how they improve some things and do some things so well then mess up other things that seem obvious

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They have always been this way, and finally more and more people are starting to learn. They nail the hard stuff, and mess up all the easy no-brainer stuff. It's like they have to put their own spin on everything they do to try and be unique and no one(except the "can't be disappointed ever" fanboys) wants it this way.

Recolor option + a few number adjustment + tons of your time = profit for SE

They are learning alright.

idk I think it's a bit of a scumbag move to release an eso weap and then release relic in 3.1.

Any raider is gonna buy that eso weap 1st. probably 1 month after they have it, relic released.

;_;

They are learning very slowly, but they are also trying the players to see where our limit is.
We are their test subjects
"okay we have had caps for gear for a long time, lets see if they work for crafting/gathering too"
"lets see if we can squeeze some extra money, lets make a cash shop"
"maybe if we dont upgrade inventory system, people will pay us more for retainers"
"let's just ignore the beta stage of chocobos, people will still sub even if they cant queue with chocobos"

Some things are better, others are worse.

Crafting and Gathering has been getting progressively worse and worse since 2.1, Heavensward took a nosedive.

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Originally Posted by RyuRoots

I wish they'd REMEMBER a few things. Like how people *despised* the garbage loot chests way back when and it got so bad they actually changed it so gear made for guaranteed drops in Halatali HM and the like. And now that the loot tables are *enormous* in Heavensward dungeons due to having more classes and having full armor AND accessory sets we have side chests which give us grade 2 clear prisms. They CAN give more gear in theory but almost never do in my experiences.

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The complains were about garbage loot (mats) in boss chests instead of gear loot (now the boss chests in high level dungeons give you both mats and gear). There were no complains about side chest loots.

So yes, so long you find no prism in a boss chest SE have learned.

As I've stated elsewhere: Great expansion leveling experience if someone wants to run the classic bruiser MMO jobs of tank, healer, and dps. End game is about as abysmal as usual and they've got problems stacking on problems for the crafting, housing, and market board. The only reason gatherers don't have any issues is because their job is to go hit nodes all day.

What I find perplexing is that they had Gold Saucer come out along with the manderville quest chain, and have a plethora of HM dungeons from 2.0 that could easily still give variety to those who completed the Main Story in Heavensward. But they haven't bothered to update any of them before launch to incorporate heavensward. Also, I'm still bugged about how they made it so that "well if we kill a primal the beastman will just summon an even more uber powerful one, so we got to kill that one as well or the world is in trouble." I'd rather have challenge mode stuff like that not be integrated into canon story fluff. Mostly because we seem to be playing the only characters able to deal with those threats, so if we don't deal with them I guess we can consider the entire rest of the story non-canon as the uber primal kills everyone and we can go home. :p

Seriously, I want the spoony bard shinanigans of the Ultima weapon ballad, where we have to survive the bards crazy exaggerated version of our adventure to kill the primal. That works out great!

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Originally Posted by Xairos

- No more silly T3 nonsense (Old Turn 3 of First Coil. Adds with no loot)

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Savage Faust would like to have a word with you.

I honestly doubt adding "Stop-Right-Now" Blockades is something Square Enix learned from.

Everytime you think you can do something, it actually gets blocked by another Gameplay Element and you can't proceed at all.

T3 wasn't silly. T2 rage strat was and is silly.

T3 was actually one of the most fun turns in all of Coil for being one giant race to the finish. Team driven platforming should have been a thing after that. If anything it would have made their raids more varied and interesting than what is seen or expected in other MMORPGs.

Really?
Now I never did much raid content, so I can't speak for that, but just looking at HWs current endgame, it seems we're pretty much back at square one.
But this time crafters are also screwed.

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Originally Posted by Fendred

T3 was actually one of the most fun turns in all of Coil

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http://i.imgur.com/TpDxJYs.jpg?1

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Really?
Now I never did much raid content, so I can't speak for that, but just looking at HWs current endgame, it seems we're pretty much back at square one.
But this time crafters are also screwed.

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Agreed. The only thing they learned was to separate the raid story from challenging content and gated everything else. We're doing the exact same things we did in 2.0.

SE is learning but it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that if a lot of people complain about the same "thing" then there is something wrong with that "thing" *looks at Darkside hurts my eyes thread* >.>

Ya I would love for them to remove the Class system and just have the Jobs. It was really dumb to carry them over from 1.0. They serve no purpose other than "cross class" and that can simply become "cross job". Unless I can truly be just as good with a Class as I can with a Job there is no point.

One thing they did really stupid is the FC crafting thingy.
Soo it took me an hour to get 2 people to come to my basement
and it took me 5 seconds to click the button and watch the cutscene.

I am having so fun helping my crafters in the FC by gathering things for them while they do the crafting (and I even crafted a lvl 36 thing as weaver so I was so proud!)
But as soon as we are done and need a light party, the fun disappears and I need to shout for another hour for people to come watch me press a button.

It's like SE have fun ideas, but they always make them complex to make them boring, annoying, vexing, inconvenient. Pick your word!

That is something they need to learn