I'm getting ready to start leveling SCH again, but I was thinking about it, and I'm interested to hear from actual DRK mains: What do you like in a party? I mean composition-wise.
As a War, I tend to like a WHM for pure healing power and the occasional group-stun-chaining, a Ninja to keep up that sweet slashing debuff, and a MCH for the neat TP-turret that lets me be dumb about overpowers- not to mention the lack of threat. Though with my boyfriend running Astro lately I'm warming up to that a lot, too.
What's your dream team if you're a Dark Knight?
Hell, Paladins can answer too if you want.
Edit: Since nobody's reading my replies, I'll put it here for you: I know it would be more efficient for me to put the debuff on. You know who doesn't know that? Any ninja in the Aether cluster; they distrust my purpley axe icon and suspect it of treason. I will never convince them to let me do it for as long as I and they draw breath. I've simply come to terms with this and stopped fighting it.
What does a DRK want in a party?
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07-25-2015, 10:17 AMKumori_KumoWhat does a DRK want in a party?
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07-25-2015, 10:46 AMSeraviEdalborez
4-man: competent people.
8-man: competent people.
Dream team for 8-man would be like WAR DRK SCH WHM* NIN DRG SMN MCH, which is my static's comp. High burst opener (Trick+Litany+Hypercharge). Between NIN/DRG, one can be subbed out for a MNK.
*Have not played much with ASTs in raids. -
07-25-2015, 10:51 AMPhoenicia^ Pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez
On a side note: Why would you want a NIN to apply the slashing debuff when YOU, the WAR, should be applying it?
1. Ninja's Dancing Edge is the lowest potency out of the three options they have.
2. Storm Edge and Butcher Block combos are WAR's highest potency combos.
Also if you have a NIN he can Goad you without having the MCH sacrifice its turrets pulse AoE for your TP regen. -
07-25-2015, 10:55 AMKumori_KumoOh, I know! I know for certain. But in all the many many dungeons, trials and raids I've run, I've never ever managed to convince a Ninja to let me apply it instead. I always see my icon up for three seconds before they replace it with theirs. I wanna be useful, but they won't let me! So if they're gonna do it anyway, I might as well make use of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenicia
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07-25-2015, 11:03 AMabzoluutWait.. what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo
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07-25-2015, 11:04 AMNovaLevossidaSome people set it so that only their debuffs display on the mob, so it could be that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo
As for what I like as a DRK, a SMN and just someone to give me some TP. NIN, MCH, new AST Spire, whatever. Having a 60 SMN myself, I like it when I have a SMN in the group when I'm tanking because all the groups of regular enemies die that much faster. -
07-25-2015, 11:11 AMKumori_KumoThey're analogous, they override each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by abzoluut
Naw, I'm talking about I actually take the time out to say that I'll apply the debuff in the chat, and even sometimes they'll say yes! ... And then there it is, despite everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by NovaLevossida
Man, preferential Summoners. Never thought I'd see the day; this expansion was nice to them. I agree though, they clean up!Quote:
As for what I like as a DRK, a SMN and just someone to give me some TP. NIN, MCH, new AST Spire, whatever. Having a 60 SMN myself, I like it when I have a SMN in the group when I'm tanking because all the groups of regular enemies die that much faster.
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07-25-2015, 11:27 AMPhoenicia
In my opinion, in 4 mans: DRK, BRD, SMN and any healer (SCH pref I guess)
BRD sings Foe's boosting EVERYONE's DPS (DRK's AoE is magic), SMN obliterating things and SCH adding AoE DPS. Trash mobs should disappear in seconds. -
07-25-2015, 11:31 AMNovaLevossidaGuess we'll call that rotation habit and tunnel vision then!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo
Yeah, they fixed my one issue with SMN which was it was very boring when aetherflow was gone. Between Dreadwyrm Trance and Tri-Disaster, SMN isn't so boring anymore. And Alexander floor 2 is like the most fun thing ever in the game for a SMN. Wave after wave after wave of delicious packs of enemies grouped up for that AoE damage.Quote:
Man, preferential Summoners. Never thought I'd see the day; this expansion was nice to them. I agree though, they clean up!
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07-25-2015, 02:20 PMJim_Berry
I'm beginning to go the path of Paladin (coming from BRD, WHM, and NIN), and I must say that I am completely neutral with who comes to the party. I tried WAR, and I like how it play, but my survival rate is extremely low on that job; I seem to live longer as a PLD.
Since I have no Heavensward access, I am still doing previous content. So far, I have NOT partied with a DRK yet during my Primal runs, so I'd like to witness their tanking prowess from a distance. -
07-25-2015, 02:25 PMJim_BerryAs a NIN, even when there is a WAR present, if he is main tanking, I start off with Dancing Edge (I figure I do this to give the WAR time to build other things first). Other than that, I wouldn't bother with it for the rest of the fight unless that WAR ISN'T doing it or he asks me to do it. There were times, though, where a WAR used Storm Edge immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo
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07-25-2015, 10:23 PMArdorGreyI.... Think anything I could say about this post, is made apparent by simply reading it in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madepossible
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07-25-2015, 11:48 PMPWilsonBLM/BLM + SCH(w/Selene). As long as the world is exploding in fire, I'm having a good time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo
Why yes, I do enjoy a challenge. :) -
07-26-2015, 12:52 AMZDamnedMathematically, there is absolutely no reason for a warrior MT, or OT to have the ninja apply the slashing De-buff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo
As an Off tank warrior, you should not be using Butchers Block anyway, as it's only 20 potency over 3 GCD's higher than Storms Eye.
So the warrior will sacrifice 20 potency but a ninja will sacrifice 60 potency in 1 GCD, while being capable of outputting more power per potency.
Basically, a Warrior refusing to do it, gimps the raid with a ninja present. Unless your Ninja is absolutely terrible, or 20~ ilvls below you. -
07-26-2015, 01:05 AMLone-wolfe-02
Other Tanks not insisting on MTing cause Darks are considered squishy
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07-26-2015, 01:34 AMThe_NPC
WHM/SCH (haven't gotten AST enouf to say anything yet) & any 2 DPS (I like getting a Goad but I haven't gotten enouf NIN's that actually use it on me... would probably get it more if SE added a TP bar to the party list for DoW classes so those with the ability to give TP can see when the teams low on it)
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07-26-2015, 01:58 AMZeratoTyrael
Does storms path not have a place anymore? O_o or does something else overwrite it now?
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07-26-2015, 02:54 AMKumori_KumoRead the whole thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZDamned
Answered on page one!Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeratoTyrael
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07-26-2015, 03:17 AMUncleCarmine
As the other tank in the author's FC, I can verify that no ninja I have seen will EVER let the warrior slashing debuff remain up. I have come to believe that many on the Aether cluster view this icon as a direct challenge, and will take the first opportunity that presents itself to bring it low.
Offtopic: I've been enjoying both healers when tanking as a DRK, AST makes me a little nervous when I drop down to the 30-40% range. I know the Essential Dignity is coming, it's just scary for me to be down there. -
07-26-2015, 03:25 AMspelleyASTs love to give tanks heart attacks by doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleCarmine
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07-26-2015, 05:14 AMTwilite
A NIN for goad.
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07-26-2015, 11:47 AMabzoluutI know. It was surprised you would want a NIN to keep up slashing for you. I rather keep slashing up myself (as a WAR) so the NIN, a DPS job, can do even more DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo
If content asks for SP and there is a NIN in the group, of course. This is only needed for the first few weeks in the hardest content.
So yeah, I had to pause to check if you were serious. Apparantly you were. -
07-26-2015, 02:15 PMUncleCarmineThe ninjas in our cluster overwrite the slashing debuff almost immediately with their own, even after saying you'll put it up for them. I'm not sure if it's unique to the Aether server cluster or what.Quote:
Originally Posted by abzoluut
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07-26-2015, 02:26 PMRayneBoemir
No it's probably a force of habit as part of the rotation and not trusting you to keep it up 100%. When I used to play my Warrior I would expressly tell the Nina that I would keep up Storm's Eye in farm groups, but they would eventually overwrite it. I finally stopped trying to make them not use their own though I still used mine.
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07-27-2015, 02:30 AMErim-Nelhah
If I'm running something without the downtime needed to refresh TP, (one of) a NIN/BRD/MCH/AST to refresh my TP. Otherwise, competent players, and healers that don't refuse to let me do big pulls in dungeons because "DRK is Squishy" (Not that we're not slightly squishier than a PLD, but when I overgear the ilvl requirement of the content by 40 ilvls, I think it's time I started considering bigger or even full pulls).
--Erim Nelhah
(Master, Astral Descendants <AD>, Malboro)
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07-27-2015, 08:03 PMabzoluutTrue, in pugs you'll have slashing/dragon kick and the DRG one overwritten.. It's not that bad, just a waste of DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleCarmine
I just don't see how OP wants a NIN to keep slashing up for him. He has to maim anyway. -
07-27-2015, 09:24 PMDynalonI think using DE if NIN is forced to attack from the front (Ravana seeing wings, or just simply tank spinning mob twice per second) is the best option out of those 3, but I dont main NIN so could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by abzoluut
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07-28-2015, 05:58 AMThunda_Cat_SMASHDancing edge is a dps gain from the sides or back until they learn armor crush. After that, it does the most damage of the ninja is forced to attack from the front for whatever reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by abzoluut
Aeolian Edge does 240 potency out of position, 320 from the back, Armor Crush is, iirc, 280 from the sides, 240 out of position, and dancing is a flat 260 regardless of direction. -
07-28-2015, 11:45 AMDrtoxicmedica
Goad. I want goad.....
Nah but seriousness my raid comp is drk, war, nin, mnk, smn, mch, sch, whm and that works for us.
Our monk kinda makes my delirium simply used for my own dps but overall our raid dps is solid and we have pretty good overall utility. Would probably benefit more from a dragoon tho but that's just looking at it from a what's most optimal pespective. -
07-28-2015, 03:27 PMdragoeletein a case like that you should prolly tell the monk to switch to dragoon both so that there not overwriting your delirium and for the piercing debuff dragoon has which would help the MCH...Quote:
Originally Posted by Drtoxicmedica
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07-28-2015, 10:24 PMDrtoxicmedicaLol yeah like I said would be optimal but we also aren't a super hardcore min max kinda group. Besides I guess optimally I'd go pally cause to everyone else drk is just the red headed step child of tanks and can't do anything >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by dragoelete
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07-28-2015, 11:51 PMKrissey
Dude I feel your pain. I've literally had talks with NIN's about DE and specifically instructed them that I will keep up SE and they can AE more often for higher DPS.
"okay." Next boss? DE is up.
I've just given up on it too. It doesn't matter if you tell them or explain or anything. I don't think they care. So I'm just over it lol. -
07-29-2015, 02:20 AMGreven
For sure a DRK can gain a lot from having a NIN or WAR due to the slashing debuff.