Ideas to replace or rework dissipation

I had some. 1)Summon 3- Sapphire carbuncle: extra 20% magic potency while its out. Its actions would be healing actions of ruby. Example contagion increases dot by 15s but this would work on beneficial ones.
or 2) Reflect- 30s galvanizes redirect the damage back at attacker(s)

At this point I'd be happy if they simply expanded the Dissipation bonus to affect attack magic as well since just about the only thing it's good for is weaving additional Energy Drains during DPS phases.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

At this point I'd be happy if they simply expanded the Dissipation bonus to affect attack magic as well since just about the only thing it's good for is weaving additional Energy Drains during DPS phases.

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I'd be fine with this. It's all I really use the skill for anyways; at the start of a fight as an opener for 9 Energy Drains.

WTB more DPS

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

At this point I'd be happy if they simply expanded the Dissipation bonus to affect attack magic as well since just about the only thing it's good for is weaving additional Energy Drains during DPS phases.

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This and an instant AOE heal centered on the fairy, like if she exploded in a healing dust field and the dust would come back to you giving full aetherflow and the Rouse effect (Increases Cure magic potency and damage dealt by pet by 40%. While roused, pet will be immune to stun, sleep, bind, heavy, paralysis, and disease for 20s.)

I wouldn't mind it being changed, but I've gotten pretty used to having full stacks at the end of boss fights.

I forget what thread it was but I made the suggestion that they change Dissipation into the Scholar version of Enkindle., and have Eos have a healing spell and Selene a defensive one. I'll see if I can find the post and post it here too.

Its just dissipation is a level 60 ability and it feels like its the worst ability we(as scholars) get. If it change or replaced, i might use it.

When you're talking about heals per second w/ Dissipate, you have to factor in the fact that it gives you, for example, 3 600 potency heals off GCD.

Heal potency is increased by 20%, so Physick goes from 400 to 480 potency, at the cost of 300 potency w/ 3.0 (not 2.5)s cooldown from the fairy.

400 / 2.5 is 160 HPS.
480 / 2.5 is 192 HPS.
Fairy: 300 / 3.0 is 100 HPS.

So we see you lose some throughput w/o fairy.

However, you just gained 3 Aetherflow stacks.

You can only Lustrate 3 times. So we have to average out the numbers over the duration of Dissipation's buff.

Over 30 seconds, you use Lustrate thrice, spamming Physick 12 times.

((3 x 600) + (12 x 480)) / 30 = 252 HPS

That's 8 less potency per second than SCH + Fairy. How much of a difference do you think that makes? You gain the value of having 3 emergency heals. You can also use Indomitability or Sacred Soil. If the fight is long, resummoning will cost MP tho.

Feel free to correct any mistakes.

IMO Dissipation is a DPS ability first. A way to sacrifice some healing to gain an extra 3 Energy Drains.
Secondly you can actually use it if your are out of MP, because if that happens it's most likely at the end of the fight.
And lastly you could use it to get a stronger Adloquium effect on your tanks and party. Though I would have to see a use for that yet. (In T13 it might have been useful)

Its a useless skill. Its not even on my bars. Why sacrifice utility when using it just to punish yourself 30 seconds later to either swiftcast (wasting it) a summon or go through the full channel. No thanks. If i want to have less utility to the group I'll play my AST.

It's not completely useless in endgame, if theres a lot of damage going about and you need lustrates, indomndibility to keep everyone up those extra stacks on aetherflow outweigh the healing potency of your faerie, in context not in numbers.

But it is the oh shit button of oh shit buttons and the 20% healing potency is overall meh. It needs to be changed so at the very least your faerie comes back after the 30 seconds automatically and increase the healing potency or add a crit % increase (play to us scholar egos)

It's an oh shit button you nubs. Your not sopposed to use it unless it's needed to save the party/prevent a wipe. It was ment to be about as spammable as benediction and hollowed ground. For when you ABSOLUTELY must have aether flow stacks when you don't have any.

Also the fairies 300 potency is nowhere near your 300 potency. Her 300 is more like your 200.

My chocobo heals for more then eos does now.

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Originally Posted by o3o

It's an oh shit button you nubs.

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The point is that it's not a good one.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

The point is that it's not a good one.

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This, for anyone else just tuning in to this month-old series of discussions about Dissipation. The oh-shit button needs to be pretty good if it has a serious tradeoff built-in, and this one isn't nearly good enough to warrant its use as such.

If it reset and/or eliminated the CD on Aetherflow abilities while active, I could see its emergency utility improving dramatically, though.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

The point is that it's not a good one.

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Exactly. Three Aetherflow stacks is nice, but the +20% healing just barely covers the loss of Eos/Selene, especially if you're trying to squeeze in extra DPS. The fact that you have to resummon your faerie afterwards is the icing on the cake, because if I'm in a desperate emergency that demands a giant bundle of healing, I've almost assuredly already blown Swiftcast on Resurrection or an ET Adlo.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

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This, for anyone else just tuning in to this month-old series of discussions about Dissipation. The oh-shit button needs to be pretty good if it has a serious tradeoff built-in, and this one isn't nearly good enough to warrant its use as such.

If it reset and/or eliminated the CD on Aetherflow abilities while active, I could see its emergency utility improving dramatically, though.

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Also, the healing buff you get from Dissipation really needs to effect Lustrate and Indomnibility. I think i am sitting at 2 legitimate uses of Dissipation in a raid for healing purposes right now. Its not Celestial Opposition style terrible, but Dissipation could do with some tweaking, even giving you an instant aoe heal when you use it and 3 aetherflow stack would be good.

I can account to the claim that it has use in endgame, mostly savage right now at this point. I but one of the few, if not only, that doesn't see this ability as an "oh shit" desperation ability.

You have to be aware that you'll be needing to use more than 3 aetherflow abilities in less than the minute it takes Aetherflow to come off of cool down. That's basically all it's good for in terms of healing.

Everything else about this skill is negligible until you try to apply it's use in content you really shouldn't need it in where it becomes detrimental.

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Originally Posted by Blessedbythesun

I can account to the claim that it has use in endgame, mostly savage right now at this point. I but one of the few, if not only, that doesn't see this ability as an "oh shit" desperation ability. You have to be aware that you'll be needing to use more than 3 aetherflow abilities in less than the minute it takes Aetherflow to come off of cool down. That's basically all it's good for in terms of healing.

Everything else about this skill is negligible until you try to apply it's use in content you really shouldn't need it in where it becomes detrimental.

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- It's a crappy oh-shit button. However, this is what Yoshi and team tell us it is for. *headscratch*
- It's really nice for pushing additional DPS when you won't need to heal. That's really more a matter of players taking this lemon skill and making lemonade out of it.
- There is rarely ever a time where you are going to plan to use so many Aetherflow stacks for healing purposes and can't or shouldn't just otherwise use the rest of your healing kit since restoring your healing buddy will take a small MP dump along with a Swiftcast (or several seconds of doing nothing, in which case DPSing would have been preferable).

It's not that people don't "get" the skill; it's that it still sucks for what SE tells us it was intended to be.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

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Sadly, when I was forced to use it, I can imagine Yoshi P and the rest of the devs saying, in a sith like voice, "Good! Now eat Eos." I have no ideal how I'm going going to apply the skill until I move on to A2 savage and onward. I don't like the ability anymore than anymore than any one else here. I'm just saying, to SE, it's working as intended apparently. You know they aren't fond of us playing to far outside the box they made after FFXI.

My only problem w/ Dissipation is that you have to resummon fairy. Swiftcast + Summon uses a GCD that would be better spent healing. Sometimes this isn't a problem though. I use Dissipation near the end of fights so I don't need to resummon.

btw, I forgot that Rouse exists. Rouse should be on CD when you use Dissipation, so you don't lose extra healing.

Really one of the only ways I could think to fix it, that would personally be interesting to me, would be to instead of a boost to healing magic, it is a boost to magic in it's entirety. Allow me to boost my DPS by sacrificing my fairy. I don't believe that would be too OP given that it would last for only a brief moment, and it presents a decent risk-reward situation.

You forgot to factor in the huge mp cost to resummon the fairy, the time to resummon the fairy, the loss of fairy AoE regen into HPS and the 20% cure potency. You also forgot to factor in the circumstances in which you would even use the ability compounds the difficultly to both have the mp and time to resummon fairy which is pretty much a deal breaker 90% of the time along with losing insta cast or not having it to also consider.

If they absolutely want you to be "faerie-less" perhaps they can make it "suppress" your faerie for the duration.
Basically, it disappears from sight, and its pet bar becomes darkened, and when it fades, your faerie returns and the pet bar lits up.

This fixes the huge recovery cost(1.7k MP, Swiftcast and a GCD) that makes it insanely inefficient to use, unless in some really shitty situations or offensive situations.(the latter, for which it was never intended)

Personally, I want to see it reworked into an Enkindle for faeries, but finding something that is worthwhile for a ~3 minute cooldown is difficult.

If they would buff it so it wasn't so close to useless i wouldn't mind if they extended the CD to 5 min like bene.

Just nothing much about it pulls you in to use. Price is too high! I'd just replace the ability altogether