The Dreaming Dragon

So what is that petrified dragon's story? Could it have been the remains of Ratatoskr?

It could be Ratatoskr, but considering the proximity to Ishgard I think it's more likely to be another high-ranking lesser dragon like Vishap. Still not really sure why he(?) was so much larger than even the First Brood dragons, but I guess size really isn't all that matters.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

It could be Ratatoskr, but considering the proximity to Ishgard I think it's more likely to be another high-ranking lesser dragon like Vishap. Still not really sure why he(?) was so much larger than even the First Brood dragons, but I guess size really isn't all that matters.

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The answer to that lies in the Blue Dragon card. The card explains that dragons go through various individual mutations throughout their life, making many of them unique. This mutation can take many forms, such as Vishap's size.

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

So what is that petrified dragon's story? Could it have been the remains of Ratatoskr?

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Nope, sightseeing log implies that she was killed in Tharl Oom Khash, which was where she and her brood used to live.

From memory after doing some of the many sidequest in that area. It's said that the Dreaming Dragon was sealed by a group of dragon hunters/Ishgardians. It was lured in that area, the mages bound it there and from then on ashes rained on it and created that thing we see now

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Originally Posted by myahele

From memory after doing some of the many sidequest in that area. It's said that the Dreaming Dragon was sealed by a group of dragon hunters/Ishgardians. It was lured in that area, the mages bound it there and from then on ashes rained on it and created that thing we see now

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Yeah, they said it was put to sleep with magic, then the ashes from its rampage covered it, then ice froze over that, but legend holds that it is still alive within that ice, but sleeping.

I was under the impression it was dead, because of a fate saying that monsters were attracted to the smell of rot from melting ice

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Originally Posted by Dalvy

I was under the impression it was dead, because of a fate saying that monsters were attracted to the smell of rot from melting ice

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It very well may be, or some of its flesh may have become necrotic. Puddings are voidsent formed from reanimated blobs of flesh, so it would make sense what with the Gelatos around that area.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

It very well may be, or some of its flesh may have become necrotic. Puddings are voidsent formed from reanimated blobs of flesh, so it would make sense what with the Gelatos around that area.

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Doesn't have to be the Dreaming Dragon they're smelling either. There's a massive battlefield southwest of Dusk Vigil that's littered with frozen corpses.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Doesn't have to be the Dreaming Dragon they're smelling either. There's a massive battlefield southwest of Dusk Vigil that's littered with frozen corpses.

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yes. dragons, especially dragons of that size are incredibly resilient. the puddings are more likely taking flesh from the corpses littering coerthas.

This makes the 2nd sealed dragon that we know of. One is somewhere in Gridania near Haukke Manor who was sealed by the Elementals. Now this.

So what's up with the dragon east of Dusk Vigil that appears to be roaring while killed by a Gae Bolg? It is even stabbed in the eye. Who is this dragon?

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Originally Posted by Seadle

So what's up with the dragon east of Dusk Vigil that appears to be roaring while killed by a Gae Bolg? It is even stabbed in the eye. Who is this dragon?

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Probably no one of note. What I assume are Gae Bolg replicas are seemingly just standard issue weapons for Ishgardian dragoons.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Probably no one of note. What I assume are Gae Bolg replicas are seemingly just standard issue weapons for Ishgardian dragoons.

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I don't think they are replicas. I think its just that Gae Blog had a design common to dragoon lances. It makes sense. The spears shape was designed to help control direction while dragoons were mid air.

Gae Blog was special due to who wielded it and what it was used for, not its shape.

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Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

Nope, sightseeing log implies that she was killed in Tharl Oom Khash, which was where she and her brood used to live.

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Even if she was killed there, where did they put the body?

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Even if she was killed there, where did they put the body?

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Hard to guess. If she is similar to her siblings she wouldn't be huge in size. Perhaps she was taken to Mourn. That seems to be where Dragons go to die. I guess the remains end up in the lava eventually since we don't see many skeletons around in that cave.

Well, the knights ate her eyes, so who's to say that they didn't eat the rest of her? Either that or her brood performed whatever burial rites dragons perform for one another.

I always thought she went "poof" eventually like how Nidhogg did once he lost Hraesvalgr's eye.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I always thought she went "poof" eventually like how Nidhogg did once he lost Hraesvalgr's eye.

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Yeah, the celestial wyrms seemingly explode into aether when they die. Tharl Oom Khash, Mor Dhona, and the crystals seeping out of Tiamat.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

It could be Ratatoskr, but considering the proximity to Ishgard I think it's more likely to be another high-ranking lesser dragon like Vishap. Still not really sure why he(?) was so much larger than even the First Brood dragons, but I guess size really isn't all that matters.

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In a world where a Lalafell melee pulls the same numbers as a Roegadyn one (as well as carrying corpses and smashing rocks in MSQ).. i think size really doesn't matter. :D

The reincarnation of Midgarsomr is quite small right now, but I think he's still more powerful than all or most of the others dragons. Well, I don't think we'll see him fight anyone soon, but i guess he is still stronger than reincarnated Niddhog for example.

http://g.ishgard.de/albums/userpics/..._16_27_436.jpg


The above picture is of The Dreaming Dragon, the island of Ashpool lake in version 1.0.

Before we get too carried away, perhaps we should first ask if there's actually a dragon there, or if the explorers of the post-calamity Western Coerthas Highlands assumed there was because of the name and the shape of the ice that formed there.

EDIT: My best guess? The jagged spines protruding from the island look like the spiky osteoderms of a dragon, thus leading to rumors of a dragon slumbering beneath the lake. Time passed, the calamity happened, rumor turned to legend, Coerthas was transformed into a frozen wasteland, and the legend of a dragon beneath Ashpool was made all the more real when the same island took on a far more convincing appearance.

One of the FATEs in the area mentions that the stench of the dragon rotting is attracting hungry bears (and oddly enough yaks), so we can be pretty sure it is real.

I don't think that's actually a dragon, more like an ice formation containing bodies of the dead that were in that lake. (ice aether eruption?)

But then again there are enormous skeletons in a cliff, about a stone throw away

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Originally Posted by Sightseeing Log: The Dreaming Dragon

What appears to be an island [It most definitely was an island] floating amidst the icy waters of Ashpool is said to have once been a living, breathing dragon─magicked into slumber by the Holy See until ash enveloped its body and its limbs turned nigh unto stone.

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Originally Posted by F.A.T.E.: Requiem for a Dragon

Ever since its exposure following the Calamity, the ice encasing the Dreaming Dragon of Ashpool has been slowly melting, releasing into the nearby air the fetid stench of rotting dragon flesh─a stench that is now driving local fauna into a frenzy. Slay the slavering wooly yaks and polar bears drawn to the dragon before they set their sights on you.

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It's a tough call. The F.A.T.E. text seems pretty confident, but if "the dragon" was put to sleep and encased in petrified ash, how would it's living flesh be A) rotting and B) exposed only by melting ice? We also have to keep in mind that what in-game texts say aren't necessarily 100% true, as they're provided by Eorzeans, and we all know how reliable NPCs are when it comes to historical facts (hardly ever).

The only hard fact we can pull from these quotes is that the structure was stone-like, as we know it was once a rocky island. It's a very real possibility that the once barely-jutting island rose from the lake with the calamity and froze over along with everything else in Western Coerthas, taking on an appearance even more so befitting its name.

As for what's stirring up the nearby wildlife, that's anyone's guess, the lake perchance? Regardless, I wouldn't naturally peg Yaks as carnivorous.

EDIT: There also stands a pretty good chance that the F.A.T.E. guy mistakenly believed that it was a frozen dragon when creating it.

As was mentioned before, there are TONS of corpses littering Western Coerthas, and I bet the Ashpool had a good many in it. When the Cataclysm hit, the waters could have been thrown into the air and rapidly frozen (due to the sudden and apparently rapid freezing that Coerthas suffered), leading to the shape we now see. Corpses that were in the Ashpool were thrown up into the ice column and are gradually being exposed to the elements.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

It very well may be, or some of its flesh may have become necrotic. Puddings are voidsent formed from reanimated blobs of flesh, so it would make sense what with the Gelatos around that area.

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Today I Learned.

Does that mean that our character's Pudding Minion is...OH MY GOD.

http://i.imgur.com/p70Ab2q.png

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Originally Posted by Eisen-Zorn

Today I Learned.

Does that mean that our character's Pudding Minion is...OH MY GOD.

http://i.imgur.com/p70Ab2q.png

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Lmao my thoughts also

Thats actually not true about the puddings if you read the Bite Sized Pudding description: "Unable to reproduce, puddings increase their number solely via mitosis. Because of this, it is widely believed that all Eoreza's puddings descended from a single entity--a proto-pudding, if you will. This, however, leaves us with the question: whence did the first pudding come?" The pudding card states: "These gelatinous creatures spawn in the agglomerations of residual matter that sometimes form in the void. Though able to mimic rudimentary sounds of speech in order to draw forth their prey, they are not thought to be espically intelligent beings. As a relatively low-ranked voidsent, flans occupy the tenth rung of the hierarchy."

From these we can surmise that 1) Flans or at least the first flan formed in the void off residual matter. 2) They reproduce through mitosis and not from blobs of flesh. 3) They are caniverous and eat live prey not dead. As we know however death attracts voidsent of all kinds and the western highlands are a battlefield. So I highly doubt something made of pumice (ash rock) would really emit any putrid odors or have flesh falling off it unless there were corpses already on top of the rock which would explain the F.A.T.E. that occurs there.

Assuming that the dragon were alive and somehow revoked would it cause trouble in the current standing peace between species?