3.05 Gear

Any one noticed that there are 13 types of Esoterics gear which meant that 1 for each of the 13 jobs, but Gordian gears from Alex Savage will be shared as per usual? :rolleyes:

Inventory space man....

Esoterics is basically the next level of AF.

Its armour only tho, not accesories

Yes, armor only.

Inventory space aside, not sure if this is intended.

Unable to cross use meant that SE will make your gearing for Savage not as easy when it comes to group composition.

DRK/WAR/PLD, WHM/SCH/AST, SMN/BLM, BRD/MCH cannot switch freely to adapt to strategies per turn because Esoterics are unique to each job.

You will be forced to lock on to one Job as a result.

Seeing as Esoterics did end up being the new AF sets this was to be expected.

The Alex Savage gear isn't locked. It isn't optimal but if you gain that you can switch between jobs (all except the poor melee).

That said, I would have thought the crafted gear would be a good entry gear for savage but it looks not. I mean, maybe for some dps pieces but you'll be losing vitality. I guess we will have to see how savage these savage turns are on healers. Also, no crafted accessories it seems yet for battle jobs (atleast at i180 or above). The crafted gear is only on par with the upgraded law gear. If you fully materia it it's decent though. I think most savage groups will want their members starting out in mostly all alex normal/esoteric....

I mean there are plus sides but it's just boring for crafters :/ I guess I can gear my alts atleast... But even that, I'll probably just farm alex normal... lol

You probably shouldn't have expectations on battle class crafted. Yoshi-P made it clear that he doesn't want to see a repeat of FCoB, and the clear lack of crafted accessories (for you to abuse VIT) is one big signal.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

You probably shouldn't have expectations on battle class crafted. Yoshi-P made it clear that he doesn't want to see a repeat of FCoB, and the clear lack of crafted accessories (for you to abuse VIT) is one big signal.

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The ilv 110 crafted accessories came months after FCoB.
Iirc, FCoB was patch 2.4 and crafted accessories, 2.5.

The crazy worlds first raiders had ilv90 accessories penta-melded, and the (at the time, new) ilv110 crafted left-side gear, probably also penta-melded.

Nothing really has changed.

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Originally Posted by aerolol

The ilv 110 accessories came months after FCoB.
Iirc, FCoB was 2.4 and crafted accessories, 2.5.

The crazy worlds first raiders had ilv90 accessories penta-melded, and the (at the time, new) ilv110 crafted left-side gear, probably also penta-melded.

Nothing really has changed.

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Unfortunately it doesn't work this way now. Sec stats weighs less right now and it is just almost all about main stat and IL. IL150 are way far back and probably only have use for Tanks.

Don't forget about increased stat caps. If you really want to max out the benefits of those accessories you are going to need Grade V materias. At Grade IV you are probably going to be just melding Vitality alone.

It worked previously because you are only melding 1-2 slots for Vit and the rest on secondary stats. You don't have that kind of luxury now.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

You probably shouldn't have expectations on battle class crafted. Yoshi-P made it clear that he doesn't want to see a repeat of FCoB, and the clear lack of crafted accessories (for you to abuse VIT) is one big signal.

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Yea but he has done it twice already... But just delayed it seems. When 2.0 came out, the crafted accessories were available right away. Second coil I don't believe we had them(edit: no we got them later). Third coil they were back in a new version.

But you are absolutely right, that's what people use them for, vitality. Well, correction, that's the 2nd most popular use. First most popular use is for warrior/dark knights to have accessories that lets them off tank and do dps. But yea, second most is people that want more hp. In the end though, when people get tome/drop gear they don't use them for the most part. They are overall a stat loss because the crafted has never been better than the top end gear (nor should it be).

But my expectations for battle class crafted were left side, not accessories. I expect however that accessories will come out later, after people had a few weeks to try at savage without vit accessories to give them a boost and most people already have better accessories. Then people that aren't winning at savage can get the "nerf" to savage by picking up some.

It's just a shame that the crafted battle armor isn't very desirable. I'm not speaking from a desire to wear it myself. I'm speaking from a sales perspective. :P I like crafting things. I probably won't get many requests at this point.

dont forget the crafted stuff is supposed to be released later this week. this was stated. so if there are new accs they will not come until this second downtime happens.

se really want bards to have sksp. Its on both gloves, both belts and both bows.

VERY happy to see lovely stats on AF2 bard chest and pants.

VERY happy to see crafted gear enter trash tier ( finally )

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Yea but he has done it twice already... But just delayed it seems. When 2.0 came out, the crafted accessories were available right away. Second coil I don't believe we had them. Third coil they were back in a new version.

But you are absolutely right, that's what people use them for, vitality. Well, correction, that's the 2nd most popular use. First most popular use is for warrior/dark knights to have accessories that lets them off tank and do dps. But yea, second most is people that want more hp. In the end though, when people get tome/drop gear they don't use them for the most part. They are overall a stat loss because the crafted has never been better than the top end gear (nor should it be).

But my expectations for battle class crafted were left side, not accessories. I expect however that accessories will come out later, after people had a few weeks to try at savage without vit accessories to give them a boost and most people already have better accessories. Then people that aren't winning at savage can get the "nerf" to savage by picking up some.

It's just a shame that the crafted battle armor isn't very desirable. I'm not speaking from a desire to wear it myself. I'm speaking from a sales perspective. :P I like crafting things. I probably won't get many requests at this point.

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On a sales perspective you are at a total loss.

Because even on aesthetics they are a total reskins of stuff. Heck, at least the IL160 body pieces have vanity use, lmao.

GG sales.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

se really want bards to have sksp. Its on both gloves, both belts and both bows.

VERY happy to see lovely stats on AF2 bard chest and pants.

VERY happy to see crafted gear enter trash tier ( finally )

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BRD/MCH pieces are god sent.

I took the decision not to follow the "most efficient route" but to take as much as I can, which meant that with 2x accessories from A1/A2 this week I am at IL187, just missing body and pants cos they are junk.

And thankfully tome gear for them are good! Screw Alex Normal after this week HAH!

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

On a sales perspective you are at a total loss.

Because even on aesthetics they are a total reskins of stuff. Heck, at least the IL160 body pieces have vanity use, lmao.

GG sales.

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I know right? ; ; They did the same thing with the first set of 2.0 crafted gear (that was on par with darklight). That stuff looked like lvl30 frogskin crap... lol

My poor glamours... I will be a ugly duckling forever... :x


Crafted is still better than having to do hunts to upgrade your law gear...but... maybe not? They are gonna be so dang expensive to make. I know many would be happy to make crafting worthless, but people that like making stuff are gonna be bummed...

Oh well, I'm sure I'll make things just for fun anyway.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

I know right? ; ; They did the same thing with the first set of 2.0 crafted gear (that was on par with darklight). That stuff looked like lvl30 frogskin crap... lol

My poor glamours... I will be a ugly duckling forever... :x

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Buy full set of AF2 for glamours although half of them sucks as usual HAHA.

IDK I think the AF2 looks good but if it becomes too normal I will revert back to what I am glamouring now, pretty much love it.

Well i didn't know we could play all 13 battle jobs, and 11 DOH/DOL at the same time. (which is still enough to fit in your armory chest completely + 1 swap piece for your main.)
I don't see a problem yet.

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Originally Posted by Phafi

Well i didn't know we could play all 13 battle jobs, and 11 DOH/DOL at the same time. (which is still enough to fit in your armory chest completely + 1 swap piece for your main.)
I don't see a problem yet.

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Yea I mean its...workable for sure. Most people might want more than one armor for different situations (more piety for a long fight etc) so they might have trouble if they have many jobs leveled. Also, the people that level lots of jobs will have the gear they are wearing and gear they might put on when they are high enough level... so there is that. Also, just sorting all that stuff is messy (say you are looking for a particular ring... or are trying to give something to your retainer to wear...ack).

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Originally Posted by Phafi

Well i didn't know we could play all 13 battle jobs, and 11 DOH/DOL at the same time. (which is still enough to fit in your armory chest completely + 1 swap piece for your main.)
I don't see a problem yet.

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That would be true for those who do not PvP.
Don't forget that there are 7 another gear sets (tanks, healers, casters, ranged, DRG, NIN, MNK) for PvP.

So... that does NOT fit into the armoury chest.

I wish they always did it like this.
I HATE when my blm has to look like my summoner.
Please continue making gear for each job