Twisting Vice
・Reduces the target's TP. → Erases the target's TP.
・Recast time raised from 10 to 60 seconds
・TP cost raised from 1000 to 1500
・Now a lancer-exclusive action.
Line of Fire
・Redirects a portion of damage dealt to you to an enemy positioned between you and the source of the damage. → Reduces enmity in proportion to the amount of damage you sustain.
this two are awesome possum!
I'm still wondering why they still stick Keen Flurry for battle regimen... :< couldn't they just change it for non battle regimen instead for the moment since BR is suspended... xD
Rejoice My Brethren Lancers!
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09-30-2011, 11:49 PMSeirra_LanzceRejoice My Brethren Lancers!
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10-01-2011, 12:02 AMCale_Imrik
Keen Flurry was changed too, and combined with Twisting Vice is VERY nice.. makes the 60sec Cooldown for Vice a non-issue.
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10-01-2011, 02:58 AMBelialYes, Keen Flurry now makes it so your next WS is not affected by a Recast timer, which I think is leaps and bounds beyond the battle regimen use it had prior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce
Loving the LNC changes though, I've been trying to switch from ARC for a long time and now with the changes + the gimping of Multishot buffs I think we'll be moved up in dps output. Stoked to try this new patch out! -
10-01-2011, 12:12 PMCorrderio
Loving the info, just hope people actually invite LNCs now.
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10-01-2011, 12:16 PMRentahamsterIf people were avoiding lancers for some reason before now, they were doing it wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corrderio
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10-01-2011, 01:03 PMCorrderio
My server has an ARC only mindset for darkholds and I'm afraid that isn't going to change. In fact my shell makes me stand on the sword circle fulltime. No BSing.
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10-01-2011, 01:13 PMRentahamsterWow, pity that they didn't have the foresight to try different strategies. Using a lancer in the darkhold helps a lot on speed runs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corrderio
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10-01-2011, 01:34 PMCorrderio
Well you can't beat ignorance, or fix stupid. Honestly if Ifrit run turns into a darkhold mindset I'm either changing shells or done with the game I think.
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10-01-2011, 02:19 PMSovereign
IMO, people were avoiding lancers because they are melee and get aced pretty easily in darkhold by the end guy, not because of damage output. Then again, I could be wrong. =P
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10-01-2011, 06:53 PMMiNuN
So did Keen Flurry actually change or what? It doesn't say in patch notes.
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10-01-2011, 07:29 PMViridianaIt's the first LNC ability listed in the notes. . . >_>Quote:
Originally Posted by MiNuN
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10-01-2011, 10:20 PMRentahamsterWell to be specific, the benefits of lancer in darkhold are:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sovereign
Force proc elbow drop from the ogre so that it spends all its time doing that instead of hurting the tank. (although any class can do this, not just lancer)
lots of AOE weaponskills that kill skellies fast. Lifesurge also helps survivability.
leg sweep, leg sweep, leg sweep
if you force elbow drop on ogre, you should take minimal damage. On batraal, your main responsibility is killing the skellies, and when not doing that, you chaos thrust the shit out of batty in battle regimens for massive damage. If you stand within batraal's model, then you shouldn't get hit by the ghosts that much. But still, on a speed run, you kill batraal so fast, it doesn't even matter.
Keen flurry is now the chainspell of weaponskills.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiNuN
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10-02-2011, 11:31 AMCorrderio
Damn I wish I was in your shell Renta.
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10-03-2011, 12:23 AMBelialQuote:
Originally Posted by Rentahamster
LNC have a great use, I agree. Unfortunately, the thing is, the first efficient strategy developed consisted of a certain party make-up. And because of this, people latch onto the first thing they know and the easiest to learn. And it's especially easy to learn when your ranged rarely get touched.
I think after reviewing the Ifrit video a bit more that they've taken a few more steps to dissuade the whole "range or GTFO" mentality that most people have at the moment. The video looks like it will be forcing movement across the battle area which will be nice, since ARCs are squishy, and have multi-shot nerfed, they should be less of a "requirement" in peoples' minds post-1.19. -
10-05-2011, 06:49 AMDekken
Eh, let people be ignorant. Sounds like Lancer is Dragoon from XI all over again. I love how people cling to popular strategies and have no drive to experiment, or even put themselves in a situation where they would have to improvise. No risk of death = No fun.
I love that they changed Keen Flurry and Twisting Vice. This might make soloing some of the tougher NMs easier. -
10-05-2011, 11:28 PMCorrderio
Doesn't matter anymore. LNC seems to be a pretty big powerhouse now.
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10-06-2011, 12:48 AMBelialYea, I was rockin' my LNC last night and seemed to be doing pretty amazing. Like I said, Keen Flurry + Twisting Vice = bread n' butter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corrderio
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10-07-2011, 04:20 AMKrausus
btw Doomspike II is win on Ifirit
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10-07-2011, 05:44 AMBelialDoomspike II is win period. I was laying mobs out left and right in one of the beastmen strongholds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krausus
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10-07-2011, 09:39 AMTyro
Doomspike II is awesome now! not to mention Keen Flurry + Twisting Vice.
My LNC 45 was outdamaging a lvl 50 PUG with Doomspike @ Amalja Stronghold. On the other side, they killed me pretty fast while the PUG took a lot of punshiment easly. -
10-08-2011, 04:20 PMCorrderioFTFYQuote:
Originally Posted by Krausus
Only thing I don't like is how all of a lancer's weapons are now piercing. Was hoping they'd keep spears as slashing for mobs resistance to piercing damage. But then again they did the same thing to PGL's weapons. -
10-09-2011, 06:21 AMArximiro
With Blindside doing forced crit now Chaos Thrust is amazing. Doomspike II is also amazing. Myself and a friend were doing R43-49 Ixalis near Treespeak 6 at a time and I would line them up and do a fully buffed Doomspike II. Was really fun and good Spiritbond grinding.
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10-09-2011, 12:50 PMcharlemagne
I'm loving how I'm hearing shouts for darkhold runs that used to ask for ARC ( oops meant LOLARC) asking for LNC now.
I see so many arcs who used to hog the darkhold run places running around as low lvl lancers now, oh how I laugh.
The new gear is lovely too, got myself the cobalt hauby stuff, some red felt trousers and added +7 dex and str to them and my new favourite friend the hart guisarme, only 130k on selbina and with the addition of +22 attack power from materia its a helluva lance. -
10-10-2011, 05:54 AMDekken
Using back to back Chaos Thrust is entertaining.
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10-12-2011, 01:54 AMKraususQuote:
Originally Posted by charlemagne
yeah cant wait to put a Heavens Fist IV in my champions lance, with that much Attack damn thing should glow lol talking 45 attack on one item =D -
10-12-2011, 08:35 AMcharlemagneCan also put heavens fist on your gloves like I did today. One on lance, one on gloves. Also put the +crit att power on body.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krausus
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10-13-2011, 12:32 AMKraususmost certainly willQuote:
Originally Posted by charlemagne
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10-14-2011, 06:14 AMSeraviEdalborez
Didn't want to open a new thread just for this question, and seemed relevant here: Post 1.19, Doomspike II or Chaos Thrust?
I keep both on my bar anyways, but Doomspike is just so consistently powerful that I find Chaos Thrust's only edge on it is that it doesn't eat all of your TP. Blindside + Chaos is pretty nice (though auto-crit on Doomspike is nice too), probably moreso if you have a good boost of Savage Might materia. -
10-14-2011, 06:53 AMcharlemagneI tend to use chaos thrust more, using doomspikeII when I can use it in conjunction with bloodthirst and ferocity II for a quick hp regain.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez
Also worth remembering Doomspike II is AOE. It will also hit mobs between you and the target. I decided to show my linkshell mates a lnc can Pl as well as any mage. Ran around and aggroed a load of lvl38ish hippocerfs with a tap of the lance, hit ferocity II and bloodbath, targetted the mob at the back of the group and hit DSII. Eight dead mobs in one shot. -
10-14-2011, 07:15 AMlynexJoin our linkshell. We are New Beginnings and its great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corrderio
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10-19-2011, 01:24 AMCorrderioI found Doomspike to be more effective, but that's just me since I hate the animation lockdown you get on Chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez
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11-03-2011, 05:22 AMRentahamsterI bet you're probably getting a lot of playtime now, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Corrderio
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11-03-2011, 05:52 AMBelialFrom Carraway's Guide (good tool, read it):Quote:
Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez
Single-target DPS
Speed Surge II
Auto-attack
-> Invigorate II
-> Pierce
-> Heavy Thrust
-> Full Thrust
If buffs are available and TP>=2000~ and target is <20% HP: Chaos Thrust
If buffs are available and TP~3000: Doomspike II
If buffs are not available and TP>=2500~: Doomspike II
If buffs are not available and TP<=2500~: Chaos Thrust
Trash DPS
Speed Surge II
Auto-attack
-> Invigorate II
-> Pierce (column)
-> Heavy Thrust
-> Full Thrust
If buffs are available and TP~3000: Doomspike II
If buffs are not available and TP>=2500~: Doomspike II
If buffs are not available and TP<2500: Leg Sweep / Heavy Trammel