So I've played many MMOs and these days people are yelling subscription based P2P (Paid to Play) MMOs are no good and dead and everyone should go F2P (Free to Play).
Well if you just want more people to play your game F2P is the way to go...but you sacrifice the quality of players when you do so.
Also, contrary to popular belief a F2P game isn't free. In fact, the average person who invests into a F2P actually pays more...much more then a P2P game.
There's a certain game out there, I won't mention the name. In order to fully gear out your character to the max, assuming you chose your final set of gear and maxed out... the extra bonuses require spending lots of money in the cash shop...in fact it was calculated out to be some $6000+ USD. And once you set this if you they added new gear and you wanted to change your character gear you'd have to pay a load more again...MONEY PIT
If you take that $6000 and let's say FFXIV costs P2P $11 a month...you could play and max out and change your character to your content for the next 45 years. Which game would you choose?
Don't wish for F2P for FFXIV...it'll be a better quality game subscription based and the content will be available to all players. The quality of game will be based on content and player achievement rather then who is rich and who is poor.
Please no F2P for FFXIV...why? Read on...
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09-30-2011, 08:03 PMAgovenPlease no F2P for FFXIV...why? Read on...
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09-30-2011, 08:09 PMFear
FFXIV will never be F2P once the content is at a decent level, its been said countless times
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09-30-2011, 08:14 PMMishaYes, along with the fact that they hate cash-shops and don't want them in the game thank god. These things have been known for quite some time! Reasons for current F2P are obvious xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Fear
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09-30-2011, 08:17 PMAgoven
I don't mind SE doing a cash shop here and there for like vanity items. Just as long as it doesn't affect the game itself...I wouldn't mind buying say a ring of moogle transformation or something like that ha hahaha.
And I know SE won't make FFXIV a F2P. I'm just saying for those who are screaming free to play...they need to understand that F2P isn't that... -
09-30-2011, 08:23 PMDelsus
No matter how many people want the game to go F2P SE will not make it F2P ever, it has been said multiple times and this current subscriptions free period is as an apology to players because they messed up, and they know it, end of story.
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09-30-2011, 08:29 PMSeirra_Lanzce
:blush: i bought ponies in WoW, so i dont mind buying stuff in FFXIV if it just vanity items! *hint hint Baby Chocobo petz!*
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09-30-2011, 10:49 PMFalcus
If they went the F2P route with a cash shop like that (where you pay to get an upper hand) I'd quit playing.
I'm happy to pay a monthly fee and then play the game to get things.
I don't mind vanity items though, they're nice though again I'd rather them be attainable in game. -
09-30-2011, 11:01 PMGallyI'd pay money for a haircut... I hate my hairbandQuote:
Originally Posted by Agoven
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09-30-2011, 11:46 PModetteQuote:
Originally Posted by Agoven
you guys need considered that P2P model need miminum of subscriber if this mmo want to survive, we need 500 000 subs for this game -
09-30-2011, 11:49 PMEekikiHow do you figure? I'm certain FFXI doesn't have half that number (even though I can't prove it), and it's doing just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by odette
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10-01-2011, 12:06 AMXxOstiaxXFFXI Capped at 600k users for a long term of years, they more than made their money of that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
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10-01-2011, 12:21 AMSeikninkuru
I would love to see some factual data that supports your argument. So can you compare the customers of both models and point out some concrete examples or are you just spouting BS because you heard that Freemium games attract bad apples. Is that like how they also are only for people who play World or Warcraft(people who like WoW, obviously go to play F2P games and not play WoW...)
OP is wrong, because I said so(aren't opinions fun?)
Edit: If FFXIV players are considering the pinnacle of playmanship then we have serious problems. This game has the highest percentage of anti-social players I have ever met in an MMORPG. One of the few times I've seen balkanization sweep over a game. -
10-01-2011, 12:24 AMAsterBarnivere
GW2 uses the B2P model and their cash shop are only for cosmetics.. I'm not sure what the underlying "hate" for the F2P model is, just because "most of the cashshops are implemented poorly" doesn't mean they're all like that.. GW1/ and Factions have held up on the cash shop B2P model alone (With insignias, and dye) and GW2 is only for cosmetics (And look at how many people want to look kick@ss?)
FFXI had the strongest player base out off all the games I've played (Because they were forced to party and help each-other out in order to get through the game) when I logged in FFXIV... I was disappoint..Quote:
Originally Posted by Seikninkuru
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10-01-2011, 01:45 AMFearFFXI has about 150k subs atm, it peaked at around 500k i belive. Aslong as they game has at least 150-200k in the future it'll make a profitQuote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
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10-01-2011, 02:29 AMCichy
Yet again, watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns-II...layer_embedded
10 years ago MMOs needed a subscription to pay for servers but now it's way different.
If the money went into development of content it would be a different deal but it goes into lining SE pockets. Do you get 4 expansion packs worth of stuff every year for 15 bux a month you paying? Hell no, in XIV we dint even get 1 expansion pack worth.
If they willing to release major content every 3 months, and I mean a patch size of 1.19 with more content gear wise, raid, wise, zone wise, sure I'd be willing to pay. If we pay subscription we shouldnt pay for expansions.
However, as SE usually does they will charge you for playing the game and than sell you expansion separately. -
10-01-2011, 02:31 AMMuruganI'm sorry for the people of Besaid.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere
Selbina rocks!
Then again everyone already knew that. -
10-01-2011, 02:37 AMSecret_Reeve
woot a fellow selbinian lol.
selbina is a well populated server and heck i dont mind paying a mothly sub and buying the game and buying expansions.
its how its always been done -
10-01-2011, 02:40 AMFilthyDisco
OP, You won't ever have to worry about this game being F2P. It's only a matter of time before they start charging to make up for the huge deficit from the release.
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02-23-2012, 05:51 PMDeli
oh wow... /joke on Hopes Bayohne won't sent their new Online Community Specialist to hunt me down :O
/joke off
now, there is a reason I revived this thread because the big recent one disappear...
don't panic when you see the following... maybe this is for WakFu (SE's NA publisher, so it's all make sense too)...ok?
Producer - F2P
Summary
The Producer - F2P will be responsible for all aspects of external production from managing teams to internal planning and communication throughout the company.
read more at:
http://www.square-enix.com/na/careers/#cs01
/flatter on
Bayohne is so handsome, how can a GM be so coooooooool and nice! Best singer ever too... who said guardians are fair.
Rukkirii a nice sexy with tons useful abilities... super kind while charming... another example guardians are not been fair... -
02-23-2012, 05:57 PMTheVedis
Ne Ne Ne ne Ne necro post!
-500 points for you!
also the reason the other one disappeared is probly cuz its buried 500 pages down cuz of how many new duplicate posts keep popping up(and the fact people are on a bit of a nerdrage lately to the point they get threads closed) -
02-23-2012, 06:03 PMDeli
:/ I can't open a new thread about SE's hiring new F2P Producer... that make me no different than
Poll thread
"Like this post if I should wear a pink dress"
"Like this post if I should wear a baby yellow dress"
or personal favorite thread
"I like chocolate ice cream than vainilla."
necro is better than __________ -
02-23-2012, 07:54 PMValmonteBull crap, Most F2P games are based on the old player instanced method basically a Single player Game that rakes in Advertisement profits. Newer titles use World instancing, they claim thousand of players per server but chances are you'll never see 10 of those people because your being instanced, shuffled, moved about every time you reload the world.... this allows them to maximize profit Because they can go with cheap shite servers as there not handling massive amount of simultaneous connections *cough*EA/Bioware*cough*.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cichy
i'll gladly play 15 bucks month to play on an Instance Free Server, where every little Map isn't Instanced, where i not only know there are 3500 people online, but can head count every single one of them. that is a True MMO experience Worth every Penny. -
02-23-2012, 08:31 PMEruantien
you will probably find that this is for dragon quest x.
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02-23-2012, 10:17 PMDragonhttp://images.cheezburger.com/comple...190b27be21.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Deli
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02-23-2012, 10:26 PMTonkraplease dont say this so loud... thats the most stupid thing you could sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Agoven
its TOTALLY stupid to shout for a cash shop for vanity items (in a p2p game)! sorry, do you people got brain washed from games like WoW where you can buy now a mount for 20 euros extra?!
why paying extra for that if i can have (like in your example) a "ring of moogle transformation" in just a simple FFXIV event or through hard ingame content(without paying extra!)
dont shout for that! its like shouting for "here you have it, here is all my money, i have enough"
understand what i want to say with that?
NO NO! NO! never take this into account! you ever can get this for free. blizz could have made their 20 euro mount also for free... like SE gave us the Goobbue mount for free.
they dont have any extra costs for implementing this into the game. its just more "milking the cow".