Blind and Slow right now are really two of the less-useful skills, unfortunately. Both of these skills, in theory, are outright fantastic. Lowering an enemies accuracy is mitigation, and is a great tool to use in early dungouns.
I remember using it on SCH when I had a WAR tank to help them take less damage. Combined with FEatherfoot, it really helped push their mitigation of mobs back when I was still a newbie to the game.
Feint applies a slow effect. This, once more, is an AWESOME effect. The enemy attacks slower, thus doing less damage in their auto attacks, and could become useful on some fights. Unfortunately, Dragoons aren't going to use it because it messes up their rotation AND lowers their DPS. But if it became mechanically sound, I think more people would use it.
The biggest issue, however, is not that these skills in and of themselves are bad per se. I am sure if they were more effective/useful, people would use them.
The issue is, that bosses in a raid scenario are often outright immune to them. Even most bosses in dungouns will be outright immune to these effects.
So you are effectively restricting the effects of such skill and hurting the utility of jobs. Paladins flash doesn't help mitigate, it just holds threat. Dark Knight's using DA + Passenger can't blind the target and lose part of their mitigation (Which, however, is a GREAT skill to use on AoE trash pools.) Dragoons will never even put Feint on their bar because - let's face it, it's a massive waste of TP, DPS, and time to use that skill in the current dynamic.
What I'd love to see:
Mobs that aren't immune to slow, or make it so skills like Feint - when applied to a mob - give a temporary skillspeed buff (minor) to members who hit the boss. Make their cast time longer of some of their skills on some bosses? That'd be awesome. Blind maybe making it so that when a mob hits you it outright does less damage instead of no damage (Missing vital spots.) We can't really dodge in a raid dynamic anyways, so why do we keep seeing skills like this being added to our characters when they're useless?
This is sort of like the Tribind issue. A heavy situational tool that likely won't see a place in your kit by virtue of how underwhealming it is. These are skills that I think were intended to be utility-based, and thus I think they need to have some ACTUAL utility/desire to use them if we're going to keep putting them in our kits. That, or remove the GCD and just give them to us as a free-damage skill.
Slow/Blind: Can we get some better use for this debuff?
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07-19-2015, 08:28 PMEidolonSlow/Blind: Can we get some better use for this debuff?
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07-19-2015, 09:38 PMGooner_iBluAirJGR
I feel you. +1
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07-19-2015, 10:02 PMRiceisNiceI'd think something like slowing down their cast bars would cause some issues with syncing a boss fight with encounter timers for overall presentation, T13 and titan for example where the Akh Morns and tableflips line up with the vocals during the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eidolon
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07-19-2015, 10:22 PMNalien
I do miss the days of timing Flash to Blind Titan and completely mitigate Mountain Buster...
Feint outright should be an ability though, issues with immunity aside. If Rain of Death can be turned into an ability, so can Feint, although hopefully they skip the part where they remove its original (useful) effect in favour of something fairly meh like they did with Rain of Death (miss timing that before Mountain Buster too...). -
07-20-2015, 05:26 AMAnaviAnael
While we're at it, can we make sleep useful in dungeons again?
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07-20-2015, 06:13 AMAnjirusensei
Blind and slow has it uses in PVP... Feint is a actually good as a dragoon for pvp as well. Able to slow down at will on anything you hit? And it makes casters very angry too. Blind on the other hand, I want to see more paladins using Flash in there because it helps negate some of the damage.
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07-20-2015, 06:18 AMMhikail
How about a lot of our CC's?
Sleep/Slow/Bind/Heavy/Blind.
Sleep is 100% useless now...
And don't say blabla PvP, they should make every skill in the game useful regardless of PvE/P. -
07-20-2015, 06:20 AMNalienHide too, that skill is just completely worthless now. It doesn't work on a single damn thing past Lv49. The very least they could do is turn it into a Quelling Strike when in combat or something.Quote:
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07-20-2015, 06:21 AMNoxiferI'm sure they're useful in PvP. The problem is that they're not PvP skills/spells, and not everyone does PvP. =/ Saying to someone (I'm not trying to claim that you do, though) that "sure, these skills you have are useful, just go do this other type of content you have no interest in. They're useful there!" isn't really helpful at all ^^;Quote:
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07-20-2015, 06:22 AMEidolonI mean that's great for PVP'ers, but SE can still add some PVE application to the skill. To be honest, PVP'ers have specific loadouts of skills they can use in favor of the base toolkit offered by a job. The jobs' use in PVP should have no baring on this conversation - but I am glad to know it's working for you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anjirusensei
Blind: Paladins use it all the time, but the issue is on most major single target (boss) fights, they will be outright immune to blind - making it a borderline useless skill for PVE. If you refer to PVP again, please see above :3 -
07-20-2015, 06:55 AMRiceisNicehttp://preview.images.memegenerator....&text2=&text3=Quote:
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07-20-2015, 07:06 AMCGMidlander
Slow is pretty crap atm. The last time I saw it being used was back when Garuda EX wasn't being cheesed with high ilvl lol
It can desync double Wicked Wheel -
07-20-2015, 07:11 AMlvlagmarink
I do actually use that slow+heavy debuff a lot on BLM on these recent day.. That skills with sleep makes it possible for my lv 51 BLM to kill lv 59-60 mob for level 3 daily hunt..
I do agree thought, aside from these, it's just plain useless overall.. -
07-20-2015, 11:14 PMKyteStones
BLM sleep is far from useless. Had to take a FC member through some dungeons they unlocked and didn't want to waste time so we sprinted, slept then all, locked out with the boss fight and finished the dungeons in about 5 minutes.
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07-20-2015, 11:20 PMAsahinaMyLove
o_o Im one of the Dragoons that always use the atk to slow down enemys atk speed.
Really helpfull! More helpfull to caster/mage enemys like those elementals so healer and tank have it easyer. -
07-20-2015, 11:44 PMTwilite
Sleep Spell: What about me guys? I don't work on the majority of things past 49!
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07-21-2015, 01:52 AMKyant
Did they just make bosses completely immune to these debuffs because it would be too hard to balance... I just don't see why they can't still have some effect. The thing with slow effecting the timing of boss moves with the music is hopefully not the reason why these bosses are immune because I don't think thats a very good reason :( Anyway, the potency (%slow, %blind, etc) should be based on our stats vs the enemy's stats... with each boss having a set cap, instead of being outright immune (for example Titan's Mountain Buster might always ignore blind and all other attacks always hit at least 75% of the time regardless of how overgeared the players are). If we're attempting this fight at the minimum ilvl I can understand that my slow won't be as effective, but seriously it should be rare for a boss to be immune for no reason... If it uses eyes to see then you should be able to blind it (but say, the machina in Alex should be immune because their "eyes" are actually sensors and a flash of light wouldn't really bother them like it would a biological eye). If it has to sleep naturally then it should be able to be slept if just for a single second (like the vampires in Haukke Manor maybe would be immune to sleep). Even if they just put the buff icon up there and gave it a 1% slow or 1% chance to miss, I would still appreciate it.