Deployment Tactics is a raid skill?

I just got Deploy and I'm thinking abou its uses. I see it much better used in your pet when on field to spread the effects to you, than a raid battle, where you usually just need E4aE on the tank... Spread Adlo is great, but Succor already does it (in a weaker way) and faster too, since you just use 1 skill.
Because of this feeling, I'm using Deploy more when doing quests, FATEs or hunts. And the macros below are working wonders:

/micon "eye for an eye"
/ac "eye for an eye" <tt>
/ac "eye for an eye" <t>
/ac "eye for an eye" <pet>

/micon "deployment tactics"
/wait
/ac "deployment tactics" <t>
/ac "deployment tactics <pet>

(The /wait on deployment is because E4aE animation causes deploy to not spread it if used right after E4aE)

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Originally Posted by Roxas_Andrade

Spread Adlo is great, but Succor already does it (in a weaker way) and faster too, since you just use 1 skill.

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What do you even mean? You cast Adlo faster than you do Succor (2s vs. 2.5s with no SPSP), with Deployment Tactics being an oGCD.

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Originally Posted by Tranquil

What do you even mean? You cast Adlo faster than you do Succor (2s vs. 2.5s with no SPSP), with Deployment Tactics being an oGCD.

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Succor is faster than Adlo+Deploy with animation lock. You risk to not spread Adlo/E4aE if you hit deploy too fast.
(Or maybe I'm either lagging or having latency issues, I don't know now...)

Edit: Also with my macro for deploy, I /wait 1 sec to cast it, making it slower anyway.

Adlo>deployment tactics is for when there is raid wide damage coming that needs heavier mitigation than succors shields. Think along the lines of bosses ultimates etc in raids. You can deploy crit adlos.

Also deploying eye for an eye on everyone when the boss does physical aoes is of great benefit (i believe it procs on physical aoes, so having the chance for it to proc from more than one source is good).

To be honest, most thing i engage with in the open world are of little threat, so deploying an eye for an eye to myself from my pet is a little unneeded.

It isn't really significant though with the animation lock, you don't clutch the pre-Adlos for AOE impacts anyway, especially because some things snapshot pretty nasty fast. You could easily have casted it on a target a good 5-10s earlier and then resumed doing whatever you are doing, then just DT'ing on the target you Adlo'd before. If you're spreading E4E as well - sure, you'll want to maximize its duration, but for raid-wide impact mitigation of singular big impacts, nothing is impeding you from casting the Adlo well ahead of time as I explained previously and mitigating the issue of DTing too early for it to take effect.

I don't know why you'd prefer a succor over deploying Adlo, when you have enough time to set it up.

https://d.maxfile.ro/kneeouwbvr.png

Adlo without buffs is still double the potency of a succor.

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Originally Posted by amihavingfunyet

I don't know why you'd prefer a succor over deploying Adlo, when you have enough time to set it up.
Adlo without buffs is still double the potency of a succor.

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I'm not saying succor is better, I'm saying it's faster. My opinion is that Deploy is more used in field than in raid, not necessarily more useful. If you set up it right, it could be an excelent mitigation.

(And of course your Adlo is way better, crit with Fey Illumination, Convalescence and Defiance against a plain succor is not the best example, since you depend on you and on the tank. <Wondering why Mantra isn't there> How would a crit succor with all those buffs would compare to a plain Adlo+Deploy?)

You just have to plan a littler farther ahead than usual with Deployment Tactics. For instance, in A1, I start casting Adloquium on Selene just before the Opressors go up during the bomb phase. I then "Place" her in the section we will move to, and use DT while we are moving. It gives plenty of time before the AoE goes off, but does require more planning than just using Succor would. It's also useful during the predictable AoE damage in A3, as long as you use it prior to the AoE going off; its easily enough to shield everyone from the AoE, allowing you to stay in Cleric Stance longer.

Of course I'd try to get the most out of my Deployment Tactics. It's nice even without any buffs, but why not boost it to make life easier. And it didn't have Mantra, because I just wanted to a quick picture, that is doable in most raid setup (since I've seen a few groups replacing their MNK with a DRG, but no one replacing their WAR with DRK. But that's just what I've seen).
Succor on WAR:

https://d.maxfile.ro/xnfzskyyrk.png

Succor on your DPS:

https://d.maxfile.ro/xxgrpvyuwr.png

It's really a matter of if you have the time/communication to set up a good Adlo to spread.
Edit: A non-crit Adlo would still be a higher shield than a crit Succor would give.
Edit 2: Because I'm bored enough:
Defiance + Conv + Fey Illu + Dissipation + Mantra (i178 with i180 book)

https://d.maxfile.ro/uiaquzzklz.png

DT is good for small group mitigation. You know those attacks where you get targeted and have to share the incoming damage with 3 other players? Since they stack DT works well, and can mitigate a lot more damage without using AF. But, for big group hits I can't deal with DT's short range. SS and Succor are still a more reliable option to me.

Depends what damage is incoming. People already stack for Cure 3 on huge raidwide damage, so you can easily get a DT out as well if people are stacking. (6y radius on Cure 3, 10y on DT. That's a full diameter of Shadow Flare if you need a comparision.)

So the skill is only useful if players stack, and useless otherwise. I'll stick to what covers everyone.

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Originally Posted by LStarbreeze

So the skill is only useful if players stack, and useless otherwise. I'll stick to what covers everyone.

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When you'd need it, players are stacking anyway.

What situation are we talking about? Dungeons? Raids? FATEs/Hunts?
In dungeons nothing will hit hard enough for you to actually want to use DT. FATEs and Hunts are mostly the same, and people really stay far apart there, you may not even be able to hit everyone with a succor.
In raids on the other hand people will stack up for huge raid wide damage that needs to be mitigated (or where it's preferable to be mitigated). To give some examples: Megaflare in T9, Electric Burst in T10, Nerve Cloud in T11, Flames of Rebirth in T12, Giga- and Teraflare in T13, Stomps in Titan HM and EX.
There's not really any content that is hard on healers so far in 3.0, doesn't mean DT will be useless when that content arrives.

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Originally Posted by amihavingfunyet

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Wow! I really have to congratulate you. Not just you have the time to test all this, but the friends who have time as well. I envy you. ^.^
I also envy this 7k Adlo of yours. I'm still lv 57, but I hope to get there soon.

(When I provoked you with the Mantra thing I meant that War can cross-class it, I didn't expect you to test with a MNK's Mantra. Gratz again)

I'm not asking you to have all this trouble again, but I'd like to know how much an Adlo would heal with dissipation plus all those buffs...

Edit: Oh dissipation was already up, I didn't see the icon on the image but read the text again and confirmed.

Deployment Tactics is a tactical skill that is much like Cure III. It has its uses and it's pretty good, but there aren't an abundance of situations that require you to go "I need DT over Succor" each time.

If you gauge a situation where you can use DT over Succor, then you use DT. If you gauge a situation where you can use C3 over 2x Medica (potency vs. range)*, then you use C3. It's simple as that. And you don't need to test what ami said. You just simply replace all situations that required Succor, Sacred Soil, Stoneskin, Virus, Fey Convenant and whatever else stacking mitigation you had and throw in DT. :/

*C3 over Medica x2 meaning people aren't stacked or are too slow for C3 to hit them all which in results in either multiple single target heals, healer partner covering those who were missed with C3 or you're safeguarding with overhealing (slightly) by making up positionals for a large AoE-radius heal.

I just place the faerie in the centre of a pull in dungeons, cast adlo on her and e4e and then DT, viola! You can control where it goes, I love the mitigation it does due to faerie taking less AoE damage, it can also sit in AoE to help proc it with some mobs, and tanks and melee (usually me also > w <) also get it! Yayyy! I love it, it's mana conservant and gives me more time to dps while rewarding me for micromanaging my pet :3

I use DT as often as possible when there is a swarm of adds incoming. IE: Ravana butterflies.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

When you'd need it, players are stacking anyway.

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Can also just Adlo/E4E your pet and position her in a manner that hits most of the players with DT.

Can't see myself using it on a tank much to bait higher heal/crit unless we're talking situations where no damage is going out prior to raid-wide damage.

Sorry to necro this thread, but I was unable to post here when I first saw the link of a 7k Adlo. Was 100% sure I could do better, and here it is.

http://i.imgur.com/8k65uvF.jpg

8252 Adlo- that's a 16,504 Galvanize.
An effective heal of 24,756. Ouchies.

Edit (apologies for the laziness of my screenshot name concealing. By the time i was done carefully covering names in the chat log, i was completely over it haha)
Edit 2: Forgot to share buffs used. Defiance, Convalescence, Mantra, Fey Illumination, Dissipation, X-Potion of Mind (HQ), Battle Litany, Crit food.
Could of gone higher with a Draconian pot and MND party buff. Will likely play around with it again sometime soon as I just got a whole 52 more crit :3

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Originally Posted by Alexia89

8252 Adlo- that's a 16,504 Galvanize.
An effective heal of 24,756. Ouchies.

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Show off. XD

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Originally Posted by Roxas_Andrade

Show off. XD

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Darn straight ;)

In Alex.Savage 1, since there's some downtime you could actually pop Dissipation into Adlo -> Emergency Tactics for a larger shield then resummon as your bard or mch should have Mage's Ballad up during that downtime.

Not that its necessary, but if you're going to be topped off with mana with MP Song or Turret, you might as well maximize shield strength to reduce the amount of healing required--unless you really need Swiftcast :o

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Originally Posted by Alexia89

Sorry to necro this thread, but I was unable to post here when I first saw the link of a 7k Adlo. Was 100% sure I could do better, and here it is.

http://i.imgur.com/8k65uvF.jpg

8252 Adlo- that's a 16,504 Galvanize.
An effective heal of 24,756. Ouchies.

Edit (apologies for the laziness of my screenshot name concealing. By the time i was done carefully covering names in the chat log, i was completely over it haha)
Edit 2: Forgot to share buffs used. Defiance, Convalescence, Mantra, Fey Illumination, Dissipation, X-Potion of Mind (HQ), Battle Litany, Crit food.
Could of gone higher with a Draconian pot and MND party buff. Will likely play around with it again sometime soon as I just got a whole 52 more crit :3

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O_O with what equip your Aldo makes 8k heal?!

Nevermind, I know it's from ET.

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Originally Posted by Eul

O_O with what equip your Aldo makes 8k heal?!

Nevermind, I know it's from ET.

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I was i183, 180 book.
Emergency Tactics wasn't used. If it HAD been used, it would be a 24,756 flat heal :D