Essential Dignity

Does it bother anyone else that Essential Dignity has the same particles as Lustrate?

I've noticed a few abilities have the same exact animations as others, which is pretty irksome.

Fey Caress for example has the exact same animation as Exalted Detriment, and both are pretty much knock-offs of the portal-entrance looking thing that is present in front of dungeons.

The Essential Dignity animation is annoying as well like you said, but to be fair, it's hard to get mad at Astrologian's abilities when like 90% of them are freaking gorgeous.

If either of them were to be changed, I'd rather Lustrate be the one. It always bugged me that every SCH ability you got was green until you got this massive white light ability.

It would have been nice to have a different animation but it's a nicer colour than lustrate so it doesn't bother me that much.

Theo not thing that I hate about this skill it's the cooldown. 40 seconds it's too much for that -_-

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Originally Posted by Eraqus

Theo not thing that I hate about this skill it's the cooldown. 40 seconds it's too much for that -_-

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For something pretty much the "finisher" for AST, I think it's pretty appropriate and even shorter than some other skills from other classes. Shorten it will make it broken.

I started using the spear card on myself if I know I'm going to be using multiple cooldowns such as LA, fime dilation, or synastry. Want to see broken drop the cooldown on dignity :3 tbh though I never paid attention to the animation too much.

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Originally Posted by Rajeme

For something pretty much the "finisher" for AST, I think it's pretty appropriate and even shorter than some other skills from other classes. Shorten it will make it broken.

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And it comes the expert who says that other ppl r wrong.

R u serious? A 40 second cooldown for a 4 or 5k heal? Do not count critical please. That's luck.

And hmm other class skills? Wt about lustrate....

The chance for it to crit greatly increases as the targets health gets lower, as does its potency. It's a great skill.. compare it to tetragammatron.. Flat out 700 potency on a 1 minute cooldown. It is also a 4-5k heal.

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Originally Posted by Eraqus

And it comes the expert who says that other ppl r wrong.

R u serious? A 40 second cooldown for a 4 or 5k heal? Do not count critical please. That's luck.

And hmm other class skills? Wt about lustrate....

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Yeah, this expert will just say that potency scales up to almost 1000...At 1HP, my healing is about 5.5-6k at Ilv 163 without crit.

Here is the link if you don't believe this expert

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ential_dignity

The rest is like Ninimo said.

This expert is really sorry for always say people are wrong, every single time, no exception.

You sure about that? I know that Essential Dignity's Potency scales as HP gets lower, but I didn't know about critical strike chance increasing as well. You guys sure that it isn't just confirmation bias colouring your experiences? :p

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Originally Posted by Raminax

You sure about that? I know that Essential Dignity's Potency scales as HP gets lower, but I didn't know about critical strike chance increasing as well. You guys sure that it isn't just confirmation bias colouring your experiences? :p

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I'm not very sure about that because there is no confirmed statistics. Just my experiences. But yeah, I don't take crit rate to the equation cause it's pretty vague.

Yeah if u critic u heal about 9k...but u have to critic...

I use it always when my target hp are around 1 or 2k. I mean tanks of course and it heals about 4k. Now something more or something less doesn't mean anything. It should heal much more for that 40 seconds cooldown. Or they must lower it's cooldown instead.

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Originally Posted by Eraqus

Yeah if u critic u heal about 9k...but u have to critic...

I use it always when my target hp are around 1 or 2k. I mean tanks of course and it heals about 4k. Now something more or something less doesn't mean anything. It should heal much more for that 40 seconds cooldown. Or they must lower it's cooldown instead.

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I do crit often as much as the times I don't crit. But won't talk about crit here.

It's an emergency cooldown, so it's not supposed to be used frequently like your usual heals. No cast time, no mp cost. Potency scales almost 1000.

I don't play Sch, but here are some comparison:

Tetragrammation: Potency 700, recast time: 60s.
Lustrate: Potency 600 but you need aetherflow which is 60s cooldown.

So, question is, why does cd need to be reduced? It's comparable to other healers' and practically faster cool down.

Aether flow gives u 3 stacks per minute that means that u can use lustrate 3 times in 1 minute. That's math. And because I mailed SCH before AST.

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Originally Posted by Rajeme

I do crit often as much as the times I don't crit. But won't talk about crit here.

It's an emergency cooldown, so it's not supposed to be used frequently like your usual heals. No cast time, no mp cost. Potency scales almost 1000.

I don't play Sch, but here are some comparison:

Tetragrammation: Potency 700, recast time: 60s.
Lustrate: Potency 600 but you need aetherflow which is 60s cooldown.

So, question is, why does cd need to be reduced? It's comparable to other healers' and practically faster cool down.

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The problem is that White Mage also has Benediction which is a 100% emergency heal, so they have access to two. Scholars get 3 600 potency Lustrates every 60 seconds. Astrologians get one HP scaling 400 base potency emergency heal every 40 seconds. I'm not saying Astrologian is bad, but when it comes to near-death healing, the other two jobs are vastly superior at pulling parties out of it.

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Originally Posted by TheCurls

The problem is that White Mage also has Benediction which is a 100% emergency heal, so they have access to two. Scholars get 3 600 potency Lustrates every 60 seconds. Astrologians get one HP scaling 400 base potency emergency heal every 40 seconds. I'm not saying Astrologian is bad, but when it comes to near-death healing, the other two jobs are vastly superior at pulling parties out of it.

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Finally someone who knows what to say.

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Originally Posted by Eraqus

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I never said ED is superior to either WHM or SCH, but it's comparable. For 1000 potency every 40s, yeah, it's lower than Lustrate 1800 potency every 60s, but it's comparable. It's also comparable with Tetragrammation 700 potency every 60s. Saying anything like the skill is vastly inferior is just not correct. Remember, it's SE's intention to not make AST's basic heals equal or better than other healers.

Also, it seems my argument from "Essential Dignity doesn't need buff" has been changed to "AST's emergency healing is as good as other healers", which is simply an understatement. In fact, I never said AST doesn't lack emergency heals. If you read my previous posts, I have already pointed out that AST is in need of emergency heals to make it more reliable. Essential dignity, in the end, is still just one skill. Buffing it just for the sake of spamming one single emergency skill is, in my opinion, just unbalance.

Oh, since we are on topic, AST can also use Synastry+Essential Dignity, which can act as a make-shift dual emergency heal, which means you can instantly heal 2 people at the same time, one for 1000 potency and one for 500, which is not even nearly bad.

I didn't even read all of ur comment but u can't say that it's 1800 every 60 seconds because it's 600 each 20 seconds. And that's HUGE!

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Originally Posted by Eraqus

Theo not thing that I hate about this skill it's the cooldown. 40 seconds it's too much for that -_-

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Lol does everyone have to tell you again this is one of astro's few good skills? Its an awesome ability for such a short CD.

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Originally Posted by Eraqus

I didn't even read all of ur comment but u can't say that it's 1800 every 60 seconds because it's 600 each 20 seconds. And that's HUGE!

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I only said that approximately because the 2 skills are pretty different, and also work pretty different from each other. Just like how you stack Aetherflows, I can also stack Synastry for 1000 and 500 potency. And because it works too different so I only took Tetragrammation as the closest example.

Let say it another way, example if you somehow buff Essential Dignity for reducing recast time to 30s, that means the recast time is twice faster than Tetragrammation. And I won't take Benediction into the equation because it has a healthy 5 minutes cooldown from last I saw.

So I will say my conclusion: AST needs another emergency heal, that means they need to tweak something except Essential Dignity, because in my opinion this skill is already great: Good enough for what it is but not too overpowered which can shadow other 2 healers, just like how the developers intended.

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Originally Posted by Krixus

Lol does everyone have to tell you again this is one of astro's few good skills? Its an awesome ability for such a short CD.

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OH really? And please can u tell me who are u to say that it's like that? This skill AS AN EMERGENCY HEAL as it is now sucks . If it was not the only emergency heal it would be cool. But ryt now as the ONLY ONE it sucks.

How does it suck? It's instant, costs no resources, and heals a lot - especially on a low hp target. It's a great emergency button a pretty low cooldown. If you're having an emergency more than once every 40 seconds, you are really doing something wrong. And it dungeons its nice you can get an extra gravity in knowing you can come out of Cleric Stance and pop it - and with it's low cooldown it's basically used every pull to help DPS.

Also keep in mind that in Noct - Aspected Benefic is instant cast for a 500 potency worth of HP/shield also a nice skill to help with emergencies.

Sometimes I feel like I am playing a different game than other people. AST isn't perfect - I am not sure it's cards are good enough, and it seems like less has to go wrong before you have MP issues than the other healers. But in general it's healing kit is just fine. Nitpicking good skills seems misguided.

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Originally Posted by Rajeme

Oh, since we are on topic, AST can also use Synastry+Essential Dignity, which can act as a make-shift dual emergency heal, which means you can instantly heal 2 people at the same time, one for 1000 potency and one for 500, which is not even nearly bad.

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Only problem, Synastry doesn't work with Essential Dignity. Neither does it with HoT ticks and I'm pretty sure AoE heals don't work either. Feel free to test it.

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Originally Posted by Eraqus

OH really? And please can u tell me who are u to say that it's like that? This skill AS AN EMERGENCY HEAL as it is now sucks . If it was not the only emergency heal it would be cool. But ryt now as the ONLY ONE it sucks.

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Nvm, go play a dps please.

Personally I don't have issue with essential dignity. I don't think changing this skill alone will fix the root of the complaint....that being some (I won't speak for all) AST's feel inferior when it comes to emergency healing bad situations.

Speaking from the experiences I've had with SCH, AST at the same level is missing that safety net feeling. For example, as a SCH I could have 3 unused Aetherflow stacks, and the Aetherflow skill ready to roll meaning I could use Lustrate 6 times back to back if needed (this is on top of the faerie's own healing skills and your other heal/shield options). Whereas with an AST I've casted Benefic II, Aspected Benefic (regen), Aspected Helios (Regen), and now Essential Dignity only to watch the tank's HP bar continue to hover near death as I spam Benefic II until either regen wears off or Essential Dignity is off cooldown (all the while trying to fish for a Bole in between GCD's).

I won't even mention the new ability added in Heavensward to refresh Aetherflow stacks. We can argue that a SCH will not always have this situation, but the fact is a SCH can easily create this situation if he/she wanted. I cannot speak for WHM, but at least with SCH vs AST the ability to handle, either prepared or unprepared, emergency situations is vastly different. It's not enough to just do the math and say it boils down to 1 lustrate every 20 seconds. While it may be mathematically accurate, it doesn't quite get the feel across since it's more like 6 lustrates in 17.5 seconds, then another 3 in 50 seconds. Please don't take this to mean i'm saying "SCH" should be nerfed, i'm perfectly fine with how SCH plays, and I don't want to do the same things as a SCH....if I did, I would just play a Scholar. I'm just highlighting a single aspect of how the class can be played.

That being said, I would be perfectly fine with AST being less equipped to handle those situations if they had something else that made them unique and useful. The real problem is, as I see it, that AST excels at nothing at all, unless you count having the best skill/spell animations. The overall feeling is just that of being passable, yet inferior, at performing every task.

My apologies for any difficulty in reading this, my purpose was speed rather than ease of reading. At any rate, SE should be aware of all the gripes by now. Either they tweak AST or the company deals with fewer people wanting to play the class and whatever other consequences may come with that.

Also my apologies to the OP since your post had nothing at all to do with anything but the skill animation. It just somehow turned into this.....so to answer your actual question, i'm actually not bothered by the animation or the similarity to lustrate animation-wise. I think all of AST's animations are awesome.