SE's Contradictory crafting.

So why make specialist jobs, which are supposed to allow people to SPECIALIZE in a certain craft, and then turn around and gate the Master Books behind a job that has nothing to do with your intended specialty???????

I can't get my Master Weaver III book because I need the dissolvents which run 40k each!! And I need two per craft! Cmon!

I'm totally scratching my head at this.

If I had to guess .. that's why there are three Souls that you can get.

In all seriousness though, you won't be happy to know that the various crafts are heavily inter-dependent this time around. Far more crafts (as a percentage) require stuff crafted by another crafting class in HW than in ARR.

I said it elsewhere - even if you are not going to *be* an Omni-Crafter, you need the skills of an Omni-Crafter to shine in your class.

On another note entirely, you *can* get Weaver hand ins on occasion that are for the crafting/gathering classes, and do not require those Grade 1 stat Dissolvents.

All the crafts are 100% gated behind other crafts or disciples. Weaver would be (strongly) gated behind Botanist as well as Leatherworker (botanist for fabrics, leatherworker for leather), as well as DoW/M to make them feel needed. Only problem is that SE went over the top, heavily. The level 60 weaver quest turn in?

Chim felt (DoW/M - Alchemist)
Aurum Regis Nugget (Miner - GSM)
Holy Ramie Cloth (Botanist)
Crawler Silk (Botanist - DoW/M - Miner)
Grade 1 Mind Dissolvent (ALC - Fisher - Miner)
Dawnborne Aethersand (DoL)

That's a requirement for 7 different disciplines to craft the one item for weaver, which is stupid to be honest.

If it makes you feel any better, depending on the type of dissolvent, 40k is not very far off from what it costs to make one as an alchemist on my server.

Low drop rates, lots of timed nodes and hidden items = super fun times for the average player

I've looked at my script hand-ins the last few days and just been "Yeah....no I'm good" and bought half my GC hand-ins just because it was cheaper to buy the HQ item than it was to buy the mats and usually by a lot since they hand out all that gear to players and half of them would rather sell it for a like 30-50k than take the time to bind it for materia.

The best part for me though is when you try to make an upgrade and you end up NQing and its worse than your current HQ item.

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Low drop rates, lots of timed nodes and hidden items = super fun times for the average player

I've looked at my script hand-ins the last few days and just been "Yeah....no I'm good" and bought half my GC hand-ins just because it was cheaper to buy the HQ item than it was to buy the mats and usually by a lot since they hand out all that gear to players and half of them would rather sell it for a like 30-50k than take the time to bind it for materia.

The best part for me though is when you try to make an upgrade and you end up NQing and its worse than your current HQ item.

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Yeah I was not at all happy with how many adamantite nuggets I had to make for Blacksmith leves to get to 60. I'm REALLY not looking forward to having to synth MORE adamantite stuff to finish Armorer to 60.

I think the specialization is more in relation to the harder crafts. I can't imagine that Whistle is necessary for much except extended more difficult crafts, dissolvents are able to be crafted by relatively fresh post 50 Alchemists. So yes, this games crafting system is heavily intertwined with other crafts, but were you expecting the specialization to be a fancy skill that turned all Weaving Recipes into all cloth materials?

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Yeah I was not at all happy with how many adamantite nuggets I had to make for Blacksmith leves to get to 60. I'm REALLY not looking forward to having to synth MORE adamantite stuff to finish Armorer to 60.

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Desynth is your friend, you can buy the gear in Helix for around 12k a pop, or 16k a pop, and get a bucket load of nuggets/leather etc. which sell for nice gil (or worthless BC2 materia, yuck)

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Yeah I was not at all happy with how many adamantite nuggets I had to make for Blacksmith leves to get to 60. I'm REALLY not looking forward to having to synth MORE adamantite stuff to finish Armorer to 60.

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Your better off making titanium stuff for collectible/leve turn ins. The exp scaling on these is pretty poor anyway. so it wont take that many more allowances/items made.

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I think the specialization is more in relation to the harder crafts. I can't imagine that Whistle is necessary for much except extended more difficult crafts, dissolvents are able to be crafted by relatively fresh post 50 Alchemists. So yes, this games crafting system is heavily intertwined with other crafts, but were you expecting the specialization to be a fancy skill that turned all Weaving Recipes into all cloth materials?

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No. Why would I?

I would however expect it not to be more reliant on other crafts after adding a specialist system, which is supposed to allow for people to craft the classes they specialize in easier.

It just makes no sense at this point. Why add specialist and then remove token turn ins? Lol.

We don't have everything yet.

We won't know what we're really lacking until next week, the 22nd I believe. We know we are getting better Scrip gear, better crafted combat gear, presumably better crafted crafting/gathering gear, and who knows what else.

As for tokens, they're just a different format. Rather than crafting a few really hard items, they gave us the Collectible and Scrip systems.

And this, my Friends, is why Crafting in XIV is basicall Crap and obsolet if you can play a Magic/Fighter Class....

Lay it to Rest already or revamp it completely....

Or have fun with it knowing that its not going to amount to a hill of beans for the combat classes? Yup.

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We don't have everything yet.

We won't know what we're really lacking until next week, the 22nd I believe. We know we are getting better Scrip gear, better crafted combat gear, presumably better crafted crafting/gathering gear, and who knows what else.

As for tokens, they're just a different format. Rather than crafting a few really hard items, they gave us the Collectible and Scrip systems.

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Meh, not really.

All you needed to craft tokens for a weaver was a weaver, barring of course the cross class skills that made it much easier.

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Your better off making titanium stuff for collectible/leve turn ins. The exp scaling on these is pretty poor anyway. so it wont take that many more allowances/items made.

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Yeah that's what I ended up doing, before even reading this. I had juuuuuuuust enough leves remaining to use titanium stuff to finish armorer to 60, which was the last of my crafters :)

You can make the dissolvents with level 50 alchemy (and you should have level 50 alchemy for comfort zone no matter what craft you like), so it's not that much of an issue. It is annoying though, the materials for the dissolvents are annoying.

That's what high level retainers are for though. Although not all of the materials can be gathered by them (Blue Coral being the most annoying) they can get most of the materials. Plan ahead!

Well guys looks like I'm leveling Alchemist lol.

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That's what high level retainers are for though. Although not all of the materials can be gathered by them (Blue Coral being the most annoying) they can get most of the materials. Plan ahead!

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They cant get titanium, adamantite, birch (logs), hardsilver ore, to name a few. And these are the basic components for several levels of crafting.
With 3.0 gathering retainers have become a lot less useful. (I only send my botanist on quick ventures at this point, or to collect cooking items)

My post was mainly addressed at the Dissolvents. Deepeye Tears, Bear Fat, Sprig of Mist Dill, Wyvern Wing can all be retainer'd. Blue Cloud Coral and Mogpom cannot be obtained through retainers. Volcanic Rock Salt .. I've gotten a ton of it prior to 3.0 on the 18 hour Ventures, but it cannot be targeted specifically for a 1 hour Venture.

That said ..

Titanium :
5 Titanium Ore, 1 Iron Ore, 1 Grenade Ash, 4 Cloud Mica

Titanium Ore is the only thing you cannot send a Retainer out for.

Adamantite :
5 Adamantite Ore, 1 Darksteel Ore

Yea, you have to gather everything yourself.

Birch :
5 Birch Logs

Yea, you have to gather these yourself

Hardsilver :
5 Hardsilver Sand, 1 Silver Ore, 4 Hardsilver Ore

Hardsilver Ore is the only thing you cannot send a Retainer out for.

It sucks having to go gather those Hidden items. I'm very well aware of that.

Titanium Ore is the only one I hate while lving giving it's a high demand mats, hidden on gathering and other mats on that gather spot has absolute no value. Hidden mats basicly put a hard cap your gathering stats, if it only apears 60% of the time means your gather rate is cap at that number.

Yeah this topic was a headache for me yesterday finishing wvr to 60. I'm thankful I leveled alc enough to make all of those dissolvants and waters.

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Titanium Ore is the only one I hate while lving giving it's a high demand mats, hidden on gathering and other mats on that gather spot has absolute no value. Hidden mats basicly put a hard cap your gathering stats, if it only apears 60% of the time means your gather rate is cap at that number.

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To an extent I'm kind of glad that they throttled gathering a bit using Hidden/Unspoiled nodes for nearly everything. I felt like everything from Mythil (and lumber equivalent) down was pretty much worthless for selling and only Cobalt and unspoiled nodes had any intrinsic value. That being said, it's annoying as hell as a crafter to mine a single node and have that equate to a single nugget.