I just want to be able to use Blood Weapon in Grit

I could ask for a couple of QoL changes, but I think this is the only one that I really care about.

Mentally, I just know I have a cooldown I can't use while MTing which frustrates me. I can either drop Grit...which costs 1200ish MP to turn back on, or not really use it. During extended burn phases or Adds only phase like Bismarks Corona or A3 when the boss is a tornado it does get used...but I'd like to use it more.

I would accept less MP or no Haste buff while in Grit. I just want to get some consistent value out of it as MT.

I wanna be able to get double AA's while in shield oath myself. Also wouldn't mind fell cleaving while in defi

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Originally Posted by PenelopeWinn

I wanna be able to get double AA's while in shield oath myself. Also wouldn't mind fell cleaving while in defi

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That comparison is a little off. Fell Cleave is basically an alternate version of Inner Beast, and doesn't even take up an additional skill slot when macro'd properly, and Shield Oath's double auto attacks are an intelligently designed feature of the PLD's OT abilities. Blood Weapon feels like it was thrown together at the last second and just tossed in because someone realized 2 days before launch that DRK needs some form of MP regen outside of MT.

Sword Oath. You get the extra auto-attack from Sword Oath.

I also don't like OP's idea either.

DRK's abilities working against themselves are why I went back to warrior. I'll give it another go after it gets revamped.

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

DRK's abilities working against themselves are why I went back to warrior. I'll give it another go after it gets revamped.

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Likewise. I found out that the best way to get good with DRK was to play WAR instead.

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Originally Posted by Kiteless

Likewise. I found out that the best way to get good with DRK was to play WAR instead.

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That's not the point the person is getting across the abilities to that person don't feel right and playing a class that doesn't feel right and not fun is one not to play at all. Playing a class that you're not having fun with will just burn you out and make you leave the game.

While I don't agree with what OP wants, can't he just pop Shadowskin, switch off Grit and then pop Blood Weapon?

You still have that 20% mitigation for some while.

Blood Weapon is off Grit because it's supposed to be specially for OT. Like Sword Oath and Deliverance. It also generates mana for the extra Dark Arts skills that you may use as an OT because Blood Price is useless when you are OT and then you would be spamming Syphon Strike all day. The added skill speed is a bonus to your DPS as well. However, DRK's mana management is also a joke and it's very easy to get back a moderate amount of MP, you'd still have Blood Weapon as a tool to generate more as a backup plan for spamming Dark Arts.

That's how I see it anyways.

I actually think DRK works pretty well the more that I played with it. The one gripe why people complain about using Blood Weapon in Grit is due to the poor returns on mp for Blood Price. Its great in large mob pulls but for bosses its terrible and your better off dropping Grit for Blood Weapon. This needs to be fixed to scale with damage and not # of hits. But in retrospect given the stance dancing all classes have now you should probably be used to dropping Grit at some point in a fight.

Yeah, Blood Weapon seems the OT version of Blood Price. You use it when OTing or when you need a boost in DPS, just like when you switch to Deliverance or Sword Oath and use a DPS Skill.

It's okay the way it is now.

They could reduce the amount of powers you have and make blood price become blood weapon depending on if grit is on or off, however having it be separate is generally stronger for you (given you could pop both if not in grit).

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Originally Posted by Kiteless

Likewise. I found out that the best way to get good with DRK was to play WAR instead.

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'Get good' was the irrational battle cry of the minority percentage of 2.0 warriors who could make an unintuitive and clunky class work inspite of itself and were hostile to the buffs that normalized performance for everyone else. I gave DRK a fair shake, but it's obviously going to get a revamp and I'd rather not invest any more time into it. Glad you like it, please continue to enjoy it, thank you for respecting diverging opinions, Yaddi yaddi yadda.

I want to use Inner Beast in Deliverance.

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Originally Posted by elemental10

While I don't agree with what OP wants, can't he just pop Shadowskin, switch off Grit and then pop Blood Weapon?

You still have that 20% mitigation for some while.

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I'm sorry but this is the most ridiculous statement for a tank class I have ever seen. "Hey you should blow one of your strongest tanking CDs to maintain baseline mitigation and drop your tank stance!"


.................... just no.

I also feel that Blood Weapon should be available in Grit, with the condition that it be made to share cooldown with Blood Price.

This is actually my number one request!

My reasoning is this:

There are just way too many fights when you practically can't do anything because you don't get the sort of multi-hit attacks needed for Blood Price to work. This is especially jarring in the ARR lv50 dungeons, where you don't even have access to Carve and Spit and Sole Survivor.

Even in lv60 content, the contrast between the fights that are "designed" for DRK and those that aren't is just staggering. Look no further than Fractal Continium: the first boss is literally *made* for DRK, while the second... er, you would not want to get hit by those swings. So you just run around and, uhm, not use Dark Arts.

So it would make the job more enjoyable, I think, if you had to choose which of the two skills to use according to the circumstances. It would not make the job stronger, but it would add another layer of strategy to it.

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Originally Posted by Hundred

I want to use Inner Beast in Deliverance.

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Pretty much sums up this thread. Just to add more, i want my 2k heals in cleric stance.

just don't use grit

All the naysayers clearly haven't touched DRK. Not only is it annoying having a cooldown you can't use as a tank, it's pretty much the one if they give us that should fix our MP problems since Blood Price is so unreliable for any content that matters. Blood Weapon will probably get adjustments for when it's used in Grit when they finally acknowledge DRK is just poorly working right now.

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

DRK's abilities working against themselves are why I went back to warrior. I'll give it another go after it gets revamped.

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Yea I didn't care for the amount of hoops I had to jump through to use the DRK version of other tanks skills (that they don't have any hoops to jump through to use).

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

I'm sorry but this is the most ridiculous statement for a tank class I have ever seen. "Hey you should blow one of your strongest tanking CDs to maintain baseline mitigation and drop your tank stance!"


.................... just no.

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Lolwut? That is *exactly* what intelligent players do. Sorry you're in the middle of the bell curve of mediocrity, have fun vit and parry stacking while you're at it.