please don't be a rage quit scumbag in alexander if your pugging it plz

its disgusting like seriously

Would honestly rather somebody rage quit than act like they most probably would if they couldn't just rage quit.

A douchebag rage quit after one attempt at the Fist of The Father, then after we managed to scrounge up another healer we went on to win. I just love stories of irony like this. x)

We were like...
http://i.imgur.com/pNa6NsQ.jpg

I was just in A1 for my first time. Had a healer and a SMN raging after the first wipe. They blamed me. I did have a bit of a derp moment with the adds, but the other monk with an add died shortly before the add died, and it died outside the missile drop. Healer raged, healer goofed.

But then we wiped again. The tank on one of the bosses accidentally Circle of Scorned right when the adds spawned and he picked them both up, a missile hit. The SMN raged at me again. Asked me why I didn't move the adds, even though doing so was impossible since they were tethered to the tank.

Third attempt, somehow the raging SMN managed to pick up the adds on his side and died with them somewhere far from a missile drop spot, and raged about himself having to pick up adds on both sides (wut?). The BLM on our side picked up both adds with a badly timed Flare and stood in one spot, not on a missile. Then we vote abandoned.

I got in for my 2nd attempt with a much more polite group. We cleared it easily and on the first attempt. So much for me causing all those wipes, eh? And so much for rage getting you a clear any smoother.

Ragers, if you're going to rage at newbies, at least know what you're raging about. When you rage and then make a glaringly obvious mistake or make comments that show you have no idea what's going on, you look silly.

If they ragequit you are better off without them. On Floor 1 I had a match where the dragoon started and stopped his LB 3 times and caused the whole party to wipe because he delayed it so much. After a failed attempt afterwards everyone just quit.

Joined 2 different Duty Finder groups and completed Floor 1 easy first try with both. It is annoying, especially if you have to re-queue as DPS, but it's better than wasting the full duty timer complaining at one another.

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Originally Posted by Adire

Ragers, if you're going to rage at newbies, at least know what you're raging about. When you rage and then make a glaringly obvious mistake or make comments that show you have no idea what's going on, you look silly.

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This. A hundred times this. I see this a lot, people raging about everyone else seemingly oblivious to all the things they are doing wrong!

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Originally Posted by Adire

Ragers, if you're going to rage at newbies, at least know what you're raging about. When you rage and then make a glaringly obvious mistake or make comments that show you have no idea what's going on, you look silly.

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Ikr? Every time I read one of these stories (hasn't happened to me personally though that's probably mostly because I don't raid xD) it seems like the person doing the raging was the problem. It almost seems like a habit of constantly blaming others and refusing to admit to your own mistakes doesn't really help you become an actual good player.

Rage quitter leaves, better player joins and content is cleared. My experience anyway.

imo you need to give more details tho... you say you only had one attempt, which ultimately wiped, but was it a good effort? if so, yeah a rage quit is a bit much, but if its one of those runs where people run wild and don't even know how to play their jobs, there is no point sticking around

I love it when ragers say how they're better and then end up dieing by not dodging

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Oooh I like her cold expression. :)

I'm not sure why this would bother you so much to make a thread unless you were expecting this person to do your job for you?
No context really just whine. They get a 30 minute lockout for leaving, if they believe their times spent better elsewhere then good on them.

As a healer sometimes leaving is the only option. You say don't "rage quit" but sometimes leaving the group is for the best. I remember earlier in the week the group I was in was lovely, fantastic peeps for PF, yet we hit enrage timer on A1 time and time again. By the sixth try and hitting the enrage timer and the boss still being on 5% it was definitely a point where I had to make my apologies and leave. I wouldn't shout at other people or anything of the sort, so I guess it's just quitting, but yeah sometimes leaving is the only viable option. Don't rage quit by all means, but don't expect people to stay for hours on end when it obviously isn't working.

Well, to be fair, if PUGs were to communicate a bit more instead of pulling the boss after 5 seconds and heading right into wipes after wipes, it would probably help a bit about rage quits.

Ah DF groups, such a joy. Had one last night in A3 where one of the BRDs decided to blame me and the other healer for his death.
*dies* "No heals?" Times passes. "No raise?" (No raise because we were spamming heals on the tanks at the time, he got his raise once tanks were safe.)

We wiped as the adds weren't killed quick enough. After this he tells us "Why no healed? It is your job to keep the party alive. You need to do better." To which I replied "Tanks always have priority, if you are about to die but the tank needs healing, I will always heal the tank first." Other dps backed me up on this. He kept banging on that the tanks were fine though. (No, if they were I would have healed you or I am sure the other healer would have...)

We wipe again because of the adds not being killed fast enough. He starts bitching again, but then the other BRD calls him out on not using any songs at all during the fight. They start arguing. Oh yes delicious DF dramas. xD

Not specifically Alexander, but from my experience 9 times out of 10, the rage quitter drops and you get an instant win after.

You people must have the patience of a hundred saints to be pugging for Alexander. >_> I guess it is pretty freaking easy if you happen to coincidentally get a great group. Really though, without context, I dunno what I'd say, because sometimes a group just isn't going to work out, and when it's plainly obvious it isn't going to work out after multiple tries with the same mistakes and no improvement, I'm usually of a mind to just take the 30 minute penalty. No big deal to me.

I can understand the frustration here.

My life in A1 and A4 was a cycle of queue, wipe, see a vote abandon, queue, wipe, abandon, queue...

I definitely started twitching around my twentieth time doing the first floor for my Alex token and seeing people just leave. Especially irritating when it seemed to me we just made one easily correctable mistake.

(My BIGGEST beef on A1 is having to deal with one of the lasers myself. I'm all slow and BLM-y. Even with Ley Lines down and use of a Swiftcast I worry I don't hit fast enough. It hasn't actually given me trouble yet, it just FEELS bad, man. I prefer standing in mid and helping both sides nuke theirs down)

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Originally Posted by Bhuni

I'm not sure why this would bother you so much to make a thread unless you were expecting this person to do your job for you?
No context really just whine. They get a 30 minute lockout for leaving, if they believe their times spent better elsewhere then good on them.

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I agree with this. How is this worth the drama you are turning it into? Did the person even say anything? What if something came up and they had to leave? Who cares if they just wanted to leave anyways?

Drama queens need drama though.

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Originally Posted by JungoBungo

You people must have the patience of a hundred saints to be pugging for Alexander. >_> I guess it is pretty freaking easy if you happen to coincidentally get a great group. Really though, without context, I dunno what I'd say, because sometimes a group just isn't going to work out, and when it's plainly obvious it isn't going to work out after multiple tries with the same mistakes and no improvement, I'm usually of a mind to just take the 30 minute penalty. No big deal to me.

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I don't think people are complaining about the few wipes and no progress, its the one wipe, rage, blame someone, leave that people don't like.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

I don't think people are complaining about the few wipes and no progress, its the one wipe, rage, blame someone, leave that people don't like.

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Mostly just talking about the first post which doesn't offer context on what the quitter said or the circumstances of them quitting.

I'm just happy I'm lucky enough to already have a group for all this raiding stuff. All this stress from pugging raid content seems like it could take a decade off of my life.

Had a healer once that after 1 wipe said "Kick -insert name-, he's a noob". I checked the grouplist and behold, he tried to get himself kicked to avoid the penelty of leaving himself. We didn't kick him, so he crossed his arms and did nothing for the rest of the turn.
In the end someone else left and the healer was gone.
The rest of us was like, "If he didn't want to risk playing with first-timers he should've just made a Party Finder group instead of going Duty Finder". Always a risk, especially on newer content.

When I DF Alexander, get no "this person is new - enjoy some free tomes" message, and on the first attempt, with no screw ups to mechanics, we still have 28% on one robot and 30% on the other robot at enrage...there is no point in wasting my time trying again.

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Originally Posted by Orbiaus

Rage quitter leaves, better player joins and content is cleared. My experience anyway.

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The more likely scenario is: Rage Quitter stands at the beginning and spams vote abandon until everyone accepts it, cursing everyone out for being bad.

I remember doing Gruda ex for the first time and like all awesome paladins I forgot there are numerous ways SE will turn your oath off on you, so hate was messed up and we died. OT starts swearing and calling me names. Got shield oath on and pulled, the white mage opens with medica 2 and the black mage uses flare - hate goes everywhere again (and I mean opens, all my hate was in one shield lob and building into RoH). OT is typing more than fighting, smearing that face on the keyboard. I catch aggro the second time and we're going through the steps, but then OT gets the masterful idea that they should just tank and switches on shield oath, after an aggro race and provoke he decided to point garuda at everyone and blame it on me for not holding hate. Of course the flaming intensifies.

Seriously the only time where I said "you know what guys, I messed up the first time but this... this is dysfunctional" and left. Normally I stay, especially if we're moving forward each wipe. To be fair though I did attempt to vote kick the OT for harassment (was cussing and making the experience pretty poopy, even though I truly only messed up once) but this was a time when tanks were like unicorns and people said we should just try again, so I did apologize to the DDs, but I'm not going to play through vindictive verbal abuse xD.

A1 last night, after 2 wipes, I started asking a bunch of questions, trying to figure out a strategy so we don't wipe again. It was only my second time in there. All of a sudden, a healer drops out, without a word. Then everyone else leaves. Apparently asking questions is a bad thing?

I had this yesterday. My first attempted at A1 and the first pug had both tanks drop after two wipes (didn't even GET to the enrage timer) and the two new people, myself and my friend, were the last ones standing both times. I'm was all "O.O Ummm... wut?"

The second I just didn't get because we hit the enrage timer three times. Then a tank rage quit and ranted in LS that they didn't have time to waste on figuring out what went wrong. I got blamed because of my BLM rotation even though I was told to stop doing so much damage to the main boss and go help with the other other boss. Again.. "O.O Ummm... wut?!?"

Still haven't cleared A1.. *sigh*

I have been raged against because I was explaining mechanics to a new person.... *stfu we will just carry*

I hate that with a passion, how is anyone ever supposed to get better or learn? I've been DFing A3 (love this fight!!) to work on my Panther mount and yesterday I went into 6 of them. Every single one of them had a new player bonus. 5/6 we one shot because I took the time to explain the mechanics to the people who didn't know them, amidst the complaining. Ohh but I love it on tank, because I just tell the impatient DPS to pull the boss if they want >)

The one we didn't one shot is because I'm almost positive the paladin was trying to troll us. He pulled the boss and then went and stood in the lightning >.> The 2nd pull he pointed the first form at everyone and cleaved people then started running around like a chicken...

The third time I went into Grit and just solo tanked the whole thing. The healers prob hated healing through double hand slaps but I mitigated and they tunnel healed and we won. He somehow knew to voke it off of me after I had 6 stacks though in the final phase....imagine that...

Ragers just automatically assume people who don't know the fight "suck" but never give anyone a chance. Don't get me wrong, if I take the time to explain something and then a person or people continue to wipe to the exact same thing 3 or 4 times, I'll accept a vote abandon. But at least if everyone shows some semblance of understanding and progression then I'm more than happy to stick around to help.

For some reason, A1 is a cesspool of butthurt. The other floors aren't nearly as bad in my experience.

u just have to put the dps on the spot in A1 and tell them they ALL need to get their asses on adds. Really, theres no excuse to fail this apart from laziness.

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I've been DFing A3 (love this fight!!) to work on my Panther mount

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Do unsynced Titan Ex instead (my personal choice). Takes a few min and super easy (if ppl know what to do ofc). I reached my 50 mark today thx to that, only 150 to go.

But ofc, if you love A3 and wanna do that instead I won't stop you. =) I just shared my own way of farming for the mount.

Honestly, I'm beginning to think that solo queuing certain content in duty finder should only be unlocked after clearing with a premade at first. Say for a month or two. Long enough that people can gear up enough to cheese through the instance even with newbies messing up.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Honestly, I'm beginning to think that solo queuing certain content in duty finder should only be unlocked after clearing with a premade at first. Say for a month or two. Long enough that people can gear up enough to cheese through the instance even with newbies messing up.

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No, people dont need to be held back because they are new to these very easy fights. People need to stop expecting one-shots in DF, one wipe isnt the end of the world as some make it to be.

Yeah, I've had my fair share of ragers, too, though I've rarely gone in with more than 4 DFed people. This one time on A1, we had two melee (one preformed, one DFed) who were given the job of grabbing the adds to drag to beams. The DFed one, who had Hive weapon and full law (don't know how many were upgraded, but he had two dyeable ones at least), complained about having to get BOTH adds from his tank. The preformed (just a hair's breadth over i170) didn't have any issues with her two adds ^^;

Wiped twice due to one bomb repeatedly not being dealt with (guess which one). Cue more whining from the dps. Then we had casters picking them up instead (on purpose or accident, I don't know), and failing to place them. Our preformed healer picked them up the next time, but got unlucky enough to be targeted by the bomb assault as well and died. After the fourth wipe, we went F this, and vote abandoned.
(And then came out just in time for Phoenix server to go down :p )

I'm more than willing to go at it repeatedly, but like people have said -- if the same phase/mechanic kills you over and over again and no one cares to bother enough to do them... Yeah =/


Edit: Had a LS member tell me today about two tanks in a DFed run who after the first wipe didn't enter the boss room. They just stood there, going "vote kick me, or I'll stay here the entire time". After a minute or so of trying to argue them into continuing, she just reported both of them for griefing. Once she told them they'd both been reported, one of them DCed within a few seconds, and the other just vanished.

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No, people dont need to be held back because they are new to these very easy fights. People need to stop expecting one-shots in DF, one wipe isnt the end of the world as some make it to be.

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While the fights are certainly not very hard, most players are simply not good enough.
Making people learn and clear the fight in party finder first would make using duty finder a much better experience for everyone.

Mistakes are still going to happen, but at least you can expect to not spend the next hour wiping because of newbies.

Ppl's over positive attitude usually makes others feel like "its okay " to not do mechanics right.
They r like its ok :) keep trying hence ppl don't get used to the omg seriously man its right there infront of u hit the damn thing plz.
Ofc positive attitude is a good thing but it doesn't mean ppl shouldn't try harder.
Cuz wouldn't u get a bit pissed if ppl kept wiping to missiles in A1 for 60 mins, especially if u tell them the mechanics etc .
I know i would tbh.


But probably the worst one is when 1st timers struggle so hard then when the group finally makes progress, the majority decides to vote abandon and ur just like wtf...
We have 20-30 mins left and u guys decide to quit despite all that POSITIVE attitude of we can do it.
I might be grumpy but i'd never press yes on abandon if the group is near the kill.

Now repeat that like with 5 Df parties then u'll start to see why ppl rage quit etc.

A failed vote abandon usually guarantees a win on the next attempt. The initiator probably won the drop too.

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While the fights are certainly not very hard, most players are simply not good enough.
Making people learn and clear the fight in party finder first would make using duty finder a much better experience for everyone.

Mistakes are still going to happen, but at least you can expect to not spend the next hour wiping because of newbies.

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It's funny that you say that when the worst Alexander groups I've had by far have been the ones with no bonus tomes and no communication occurs because everyone silently assumes that every party member knows what to do. These fights are easy enough where you can explain all the mechanics to new people in a matter of seconds right before the fight. All it takes is some communication before a fight to sort out who will be doing what, and establish a friendly environment by not treating the content like a challenging raid with numerous mechanics that require a lot of practice (because it's not). These fights are fun kiddie content, very easy to explain, and generally fun. Trying to exclude people from easy content and treating it like you are just makes you like like some 9 year old who's proud of beating up a kid 5 years their junior.

In my gaming experience, people rage when they have been farming something for 6 hours and really need to log out. It isn't a symptom of perfection, it's a symptom of addiction.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Ppl's over positive attitude usually makes others feel like "its okay " to not do mechanics right.
They r like its ok :) keep trying hence ppl don't get used to the omg seriously man its right there infront of u hit the damn thing plz.

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So you prefer raging people and multiple failed runs due to quitters instead of taking a few wipes to get it done? O.o

It's one thing if people won't learn despite explanations (and personally, I always try to include a "why" into explanations, because it's one thing to be told what to do but not knowing the consequences if it isn't done, and another to know which mechanics really are vital), and if it becomes obvious, then there are always the options to vote kick the problematic person or vote abandon. Going into berserk mode and ranting at people doesn't really help anyone.