Hard-line ruling on parsing

Over the 24-48 hours since Alexander Hard mode came out. Me and other players have been getting berated by players using a Parser to harass others from doing trials,Dungeons, ect. ect. I wish you folks would make the punishment for harassment using a parser a harder violation, cause alot of players think they can get away with it and if they do get caught nothing will happen to them. It has to stop, pure and simple how can players progress through content if you read during a fight "YOUR DPS SUCK QUIT THE DUTY" or some variation of it. Alot of the players who Parse use FF14app or A.C.T. (advanced Combat,Tracker)to parse others.I know some people claim they use it to make sure no one is just Messing around during a fight but still, it has caused alot of people to stop progressing and even quit the game altogether which isn't good for your company and I don't think Yoshi P would like it if people were quitting the game because of people using a parser to harass others.

Harassment should be avoided... But if you can't play the job, you don't need to progress, or hinder others progression because you can't take the time to go hit a practice dummy.


I'm in the camp that they should add an in-game parser... Even if only you can see your own numbers.

well what I am talking about is the constant banter from players who use it as a tool to harass others though not for legit reasons.

and it has nothing to do about weather you know your job or not it's about using a third party program as a tool to harass not help.

What i see is that groups are making DPS checks,but some people want to put their standard on it and not the one given by SE to pass the DPS checks during a duty. It's gotten bad when people are in a learning party and a player is using a parser to harass others when people are trying to learn the mechanics of a fight.

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Originally Posted by Arkanethered

Harassment should be avoided... But if you can't play the job, you don't need to progress, or hinder others progression because you can't take the time to go hit a practice dummy.


I'm in the camp that they should add an in-game parser... Even if only you can see your own numbers.

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I do take time to use the practice dummy BTW,but some players expectations are too far out there to even grasp the concept of what a learning party is.

That is terrible. I have not come across that here but I did in WoW. A lot of people played with the chat turned off there because of stuff like that. I suppose you can do that here or vote to kick the player who is harassing. Hopefully SE can figure out how to block parsing software from working with the game. I see why some use it, but ultimately it just leads to poor sportsmanship.

I think they are looking into it, but I will be glad they find a way to stop the small group that has given the rest of the population a problem.

I'm all for adding a parser in-game. Not necessarily a version that allows everyone to see everyone dps, but i would like to see my own. I play ps4 so I can't regardless but I would like to know my numbers. If anything, having a parser for yourself could let you see how good/bad you are and make adjustments if need be. All bad dps does is hold everyone back. And if you are meeting dps checks but a one person's dps is really low then they should be informed, not in a rude or hurtful way, but in a constructive way. If I see someone that isn't doing good dps for Monk i try to give them tips to improve and most have been grateful for it. Also, if square actually cared about parsing then they would have banned people like Mr. Happy and what not a long time ago since all of their learning videos is proof that they are Parsing and anyone working with Square could easily see it.

I use a parser to see my own dps if im running dungeons or whatever - couldn't really care less what the random duty finder black mage is doing, because I understand that not everyone wants to master their class - some people are just playing a video game to relax, and shouldn't be made to feel terrible because of it.

I do think having some kind of "dummy trainer" mini-game that showed your dps would be a good thing though, so people could at least practice their rotations with some feedback.

What's odd is that (correct me if im wrong, i only did it once) but in PvP don't you get a report at the end of how much damage everyone did? Not sure why it's fine in PvP but not in PvE.

And about the people that call people out for low dps - yes I believe that is abuse of a tool which should be used for personal development and raid teams. I for one would be pissed at this person, because our/most people's raid group needs a parser, and these guys are just giving SE reasons to make them bannable

I got kicked from a group in A1, because somebody was running a parser. They said I had really bad DPS, and they didn't want me in group because of it. I am a SMN. The situation in the fight was, the healers did not heal me through homing missiles, Casters cant take the missiles to the face without at least 1 cure. So they let me die 4 times. Then Judged me by their parse on the fight. They didn't care the situation or want to hear explanation, just only what their little box showed them. Well, reported. Later that night, same fight, parsed 989 in a different group.I think people abuse parsers and they are bad. If you don't meet the DPS check it is apparent, cause you wont pass certain points or things. If you are close people work that much harder. If you aren't, people will regroup, and try to get better gear. I am on Gilgamesh and the Parser crowd is terrible.

People play to have fun. Feeling pressured and feeling like you cant make 1 mistake isn't fun. Doesn't even have to be your mistake, somebody else makes a mistake that effects you, and your numbers, all they see is your numbers, and you get harassed. Should not allow them.

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Originally Posted by Bojobear

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I would think things like this are reportable offences. Calling people out for low dps in alex normal mode is just sad anyway. The whole reason for the normal/easier raid content was to allow more casual players to take part in it. There aren't super tight dps checks, people don't need to be performing at 90-100% of their class potential to clear it. It's meant to be FUN, and something everyone can enjoy.

True but the these people only represent a small part of the community the part that THINK they are good, but in reality they aren't, It's the players who don't care about Parsing are usually the better players.

Oh the Gm's have been very interested in what parsers are being used I bet they are trying to find a way to counter.

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So I feel that people using parsers should be allowed to use them provided certain conditions are met. They shouldn't be allowed to harass another player because of what the parser is reporting because the parser (as of yet) don't track deaths. For example, Say I'm fighting a boss as a Black Mage, I end up dying about 1/4th of the way through the fight and don't get raised until the fight is over. The parser just sees that you weren't doing damage and can't tell that you're actually dead thus that's why you're not dealing damage. If Square implements an Add-on system soon, I'd be willing to learn how to code in that language (they'd probably use TCL or Lua, of which i know a bit more TCL than Lua) just to implement that death time functionality.

Continuation of my last post due to SE's stupid 1k character limit (GRRRRR): Basically once a person dies in the party, I'd have my addon simply freeze report parsing for display. I'd also code in a "dead timer" so that when a Player gets moused over in the in-game addon window, it shows that they were dead for however long they were. There is one problem with my ideas in that which is then the people complaining about DPS being "bad" would complain about a person being dead.

that's actually a good idea, It would stop players from harassing others because of low DPS and also take into account being raised as well. if that is possible.

well also shows who is doing the mechanic and who isn't

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Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38

well also shows who is doing the mechanic and who isn't

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I can't guarantee that if SE implements an addon system that I'll be able to code that advanced anytime soon. I suppose I could technically have it see when players take damage as well and what caused the damage to occur. Like for example: Titan. Say a DPS gets hit by that move that knocks you off the platform (the straight-line attack that is "random" target-based). If SE properly implements an Addon system, I should be able to read that and then display it. I've also considered a kind of solution that would help alleviate the mechanics problem. Although this idea might lead to harassment claims, I'll post it anyways. My damage meter utility would post something like a quest notice above the enemy's health bar saying someone like, "<player> has died. The Killing blow was from <Monster> for x damage. Although the Titan fight would require a bit more complexity than that.

Guys if someone harrass you when you go in pug with a parser you can report him, but parser are useful tool for raiders or even for check our DPS, gear stat and so much more, banning for this kind of use is just stupid in my opinion.

If someone think that "That SMN doesn't do enough DPS" because he is using a parser, he can just leave, bet he canno't vote dismiss the SMN of harrass him for it.
Smart people will also give to that SMN some tips, even because with al the changes made to jobs it is possible to crap something and don't realize it with a decent numeric comparation.

two things.. officially yoshi-p replied a question asked by a top gaming site interviewer (Google yoshi-p parser official) and he said that as long as you don't use it to harass others/talk admit it in game they won't hunt you down.

secondly, this is the internet. you need report them using the gm tool under support. complaining here isn't really saying anything except "look at me and how little I'm willing to do proactively" .. this is the internet. people can and will troll and harass you. not saying it's ok, but the people who are doing it will unlikely be seeing this post.

good luck to you!

I get that you're feeling threatened and that you don't like it when someone berates you but rather than immediately lashing out and saying they need to change shouldn't you look inward? If a teacher says, hey you're not doing well on these exams that more than half the class is gettin over 100% on would you tell him his test is wrong or would you study more? It's sad that players would rather they find a way to continue playing at a low skill level then to just practice their class a bit and avoid that kind of harrassment by virtue of their own skill.

Harrasment, with parser or not, is reportable so report the offender. Parser make it easyer to harrast other but people that want to harrast and bother others will do it anyways. Just report, blacklist, kick if can and move on. If is some random person and DF on trials who cares what he says you will probably never see him again just ignore.