MNK's Chakra

So why is chakra on the gcd? It has barely any use the way it is. We have to choose between healing a bit of TP or doing a 320 potency attack, and in most fights, we don't have the time to be stacking our chakra. I feel like MNK got shafted for skills this expansion.

Because at a lot of fights in endgame, you WILL have a lot of downtime, and it's more than enough to pull up 5 stacks of chakra. For example, Alex Floor 1's boss duo like to fly into the air before crashing at one side of the field. It's long enough for you to lose GL no matter what, meaning long enough for you to have time to fully stock up on Chakra stacks and form shift into Coeurl to get back onto the boss.

Just because we understand the intended function of the ability doesn't mean a quality of life change isint warranted. I want to see SE give us the opportunity to use our cool new moves more often, removing Chakra from the GCD would alow us to charge up between moves; if the price of that is they have to put a cooldown on the attack itself I think its well worth it. Also give us a chance of GL stack to use a free tornado kick, that move is just too spectacular to be used as little as it is.

The problem is that in the most cases of downtime we will use Form Shift either to have the chance to hold GL3 or at least that we can continue after the downtime with just one stack of GL after the first hit, so there is hardly ever the time to press 5 times meditation and 3 times form shift to get to the last form. For example in Alex 2nd, 3rd and 4th floor i have never the long enough downtime to do both of that and GL is much more important than forbitten charka.
So they should either put it off GCD or lets say give us 1 stack each time we refresh GL. In both cases we have more often the possibility to play with our new skills and not just once or twice in a fight.
Yeah and for tornado kick imo it is a very high cost to spend ALL GL stacks for a 330 potency. I barely use it therefore. Should also get little changes.

There's downtime in most of the current endgame fights where you can charge a full stack of chakra.

For example,

BisEX: The dragonkiller pulling in delay
RavEX: ...Lots
A1: When Oppressor flies up
A3: Switching forms, Tornado form
A4: The delay after hitting Manipulator a few times after breaking a leg when it charges the raid-wide aoe

They won't do that because it would make monk too strong. So you can either do it in your downtime, or inbetween GL stacks (it's possible to do it takes timing but you can).

For the primals you are right, there are enough long downtimes to charge 5 stacks of chakra.
In A1 when he flies up i have once in the whole fight the chance to get back 5 stacks, so i can do twice forbitten chakra if i don't need TP.
In A3 (which i did 10 times yesterday) when he swithes the form its only enough time to do form shift to get to coeurl form to refresh GL3, and also in the switch to the little add phase there is not enough time to press 3x form shift and 5x chakra.
In A4 all of the downtimes lasts not long enough to get 5 stacks furthermore you need the GCD in the downtime to get to coeurlform to keep GL3 if possible which is the most important.

So in A3 and 4 i can use either forbitten chakra or TP reg only once in the fight. I think thats not what SE wanted, to use one of two skills just once in a fight or maybe twice for fights like A1. And additionally when you compare it to coil, there are lots of fights where you have NO downtime. :(

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Originally Posted by Noira

They won't do that because it would make monk too strong. So you can either do it in your downtime, or inbetween GL stacks (it's possible to do it takes timing but you can).

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Yeah maybe they won't change anything which would be annoying, then i think i would change to DRG.

Other than the already mentioned downtimes it's also good for longer fights or when you happened to die with invig used without a TP support, you might aswell gather Chakra for Purification.

In generel i like the chakra idea itself but the execution is not the best.
I also think that i would not be OP if they change it to something where we can use forbitten chakra twice a minute or so and monk would then a bit than nin/ drg due to the missing raid damage utility like nin/ drg have.

But lets wait a bit, maybe SE will see that some QoL changes would be nice, even if they have to lower the potency of forbitten chakra since it would be used more often and make more fun to play monk.

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Originally Posted by ray1108

The problem is that in the most cases of downtime we will use Form Shift either to have the chance to hold GL3 or at least that we can continue after the downtime with just one stack of GL after the first hit.

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From shift should just be changed to a weaker version of perfect balance, give it a 12-15 second cooldown and allow us on use to be able to use any 1 move regardless of form. Its just too many hoops their asking us to jump through.

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Originally Posted by Noira

They won't do that because it would make monk too strong. So you can either do it in your downtime, or inbetween GL stacks (it's possible to do it takes timing but you can).

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Using chakra between GL stacks would just drop dps, and from what Ive read as of now monk DPs is behind ninja and dragoon so I dont see how it would make us THAT much stronger. I would take a cut at potency if it meant I could use forbidden chakra as much as I can howling fist atleast.

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Originally Posted by Barghest1210

Using chakra between GL stacks would just drop dps, and from what Ive read as of now monk DPs is behind ninja and dragoon so I dont see how it would make us THAT much stronger. I would take a cut at potency if it meant I could use forbidden chakra as much as I can howling fist atleast.

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Yeah monk DPS is behind ninja and dragoon especially when you add their dps raid utilities.
using chakra between in fight would be worse than any other GCD.

I would also agree with the idea to lower the potency of forbidden chakra in order to use is more often.

I feel like I'd really like it if it was an oGCD about as long as a laggy Forbidden Chakra uppercut / enough to clip into the next GCD, normally making it a dps loss in any fight with constant melee uptime as it currently, but allowing it to be used immediately when moving out, so you're not all the way out of a large enemy-centric AoE and heading back by the time you can use it, thereby clipping a second or more into your next GCD just because you had nothing you could do for the second and a half before.

That being said, I'd like it if its activation/animation speed was increased for each consecutive use. Again, not to the point where it would be advantageous to pop this during melee uptime normally. This should make it more optimal to get 3 or more at a time instead. It's only advantageous single use would probably be by certain SS off-plateaus who might use it to line up their Demolish without clipping it or being late, but its main advantage would be that certain dashes of movements that could barely give us 2 stacks of Chakra with GCD clipping before, could give us 2 well without clipping or 3 with minor clipping now. I'd be fine with Forbidden Chakra potency being mildly nerfed to make Chakra use itself smoother/quicker/more reactive.

:: I feel like all animation times really ought to scale with SS as not to disallow double-weaving past a certain SS, but if nothing else, Chakra should scale with SS.

Edit: I also feel like Form Shift ought to be a fair bit faster. If a Monk is in Opo-opo with only 4 seconds or less to hit its next Coeurl before GL expires, Form Shift ought to be a way to save it, to give an idea of the speed I'd like to see from it. It would still very rarely be advantageous (only when starved for TP and having plenty of enemies to multi-DoT and to keep DK up on for support, etc.) during melee uptime. Short of that, it just feels unreasonably clunky.

I would rather have the stacks automatically build up while in combat like 1 every 12-15 seconds and stay until used, keep the potency but add a 90 second cd, I don't find it that entertaining to stand between phases spamming the chakra key to charge it up ( more annoying than anything ). They could do some cool things with it though like make it an actual charge skill where you have to hold the key for 5 seconds until its fully charged, make it chargable while moving and have the animation appear to be drawing in energy from around your character... I could live with that :P