Are we ever going to get Raid Dungeons? Where its a lengthy trek to the boss? With rooms to explore. Are are all raid encounters from here on out just gonna be like 1 trash pull (if that) then boss?
I know a lot of people think just clearing trash is pointless, but I rather enjoy it than just going from boss to boss. Or at least some puzzle mechanic along the way to the boss...Something..
We ever going to get Raid Dungeons?
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07-09-2015, 02:11 AMMissionWe ever going to get Raid Dungeons?
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07-09-2015, 02:13 AMPlumpyMcduff
So long as mobs are given interesting mechanics of their own.
Otherwise, the mobs are often so mindless I'd rather just zoom to the bosses as quickly as possible & get out.
I can face-roll my keyboard & kill any mob in this game, was hopeful for Heavensward's 'dangerous overworld' but it's proven weak.
P.S. don't get me wrong, I would like this feature... just "so long as..." -
07-09-2015, 02:16 AMMission
Ya that's what i mean..even the little trash they put before the current raid bosses are stupid easy when you couple probably solo most of them.
Mobs that require mechanics and training that you could potentially wipe on. -
07-09-2015, 02:20 AMColorful
I sure hope so, hell they can just merge something like Alex into one thing and add a few more twists and turns with mobs. I can see why people wouldn't like it though, grinding the entire raid again and again to get that one piece of loot is annoying.
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07-09-2015, 02:22 AMMetaRed
Personally I would prefer some different type of design to end game raids other than "boss rush mode" which is what the raids we have feel like. While I enjoy the raid content, it's very repetitive.
I would really enjoy it if the developers created some instanced content that did not feel like it was "run to the end fast like sonic, then kill boss and cheer"
In FFXI over the years there was a lot of varying end game activities released some were instanced and some were not, but even the instanced stuff varied greatly in how it played: dynamis felt different than salvage, which felt different than farming monster Pop sets for boss monsters in sky, which felt different than the instanced battles in sea etc. -
07-09-2015, 02:22 AMlonixYep it's pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mission
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07-09-2015, 02:25 AMZumi
People find killing trash boring so they make more interesting bosses.
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07-09-2015, 02:28 AMAshkendor
Of all the FCoB turns, my static hated farming T11 the most. Reason? Trash mobs.
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07-09-2015, 02:29 AMMissionI don't find killing trash boring...The trash in FF14 sure, but not in all gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
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07-09-2015, 02:31 AMMission
My actual favorite thing to do in this game are dungeons..not the raids..the dungeons..cause i get to explore this decently designed area. The raids..Its oh look a five foot room, oh another 40 foot room with a boss..done
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07-09-2015, 02:35 AMsaber_alterDoesn't day anywhere we cannot have interesting mobs and interesting bosses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
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07-09-2015, 02:35 AMWhocareswhatmynameis
Nope prob not, we need to streamline this process as much as we can. We need a raid practice mode so we can only practice the 2nd and last phase. Then we can also implement checkpoints on the bosses so when you complete phase 1 and 2 and wipe on last phase. You can start back again on last phase without having to do first two phases again.
It may seem like I am joking, but not really as most people would prob LOVE these things to be implemented. For the sake of getting their loot faster.
EDIT: on a more serious note i would really like if alexander felt like this really big place you could explore and take different paths to get to different bosses, Similar to Ru'An Gardens from ffxi. Alexander really feels so cut up right now into small blocks. While it's suppose to be continuous it doesn't feel that way at all. At least coil did a somewhat decent job of making you feel like you kept going deeper. -
07-09-2015, 02:43 AMZarzakQuote:
Originally Posted by Mission
Also how about larger raids that are actually a challenge... Savage CT or whatever the new place is. Some of us like the interaction.. And some of us like being able ot have more than 1 of a class in a raid group -_- -
07-09-2015, 02:47 AMKydi
ST style single pull between bosses in an 8 person raid (with multiple bosses) would be nice.
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07-09-2015, 02:55 AMLadon
Just making the 8 man raids continuous would be a big step.
But yes I'd like to see some more actual dungeon mechanics. Turn 1 almost had it right. Throw in some trash, put some chests around with some useful rewards (gil, high level potions, food maybe). Throw in some non-trash mechanics like having to stand in glowy circle while things try to kill you, etc.
And then maybe have the boss drop an item that can be used to later skip this content in a later run if the group so chooses. -
07-09-2015, 02:56 AMPhireblast
The only thing in this game that tried that was Castrum and Praetorium to a *much* easier extent. I want this to happen(hell, I wanted alexander to be one giant instance with its respective bosses deeper in), it probably won't.
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07-09-2015, 03:03 AMZarzakFunny thing is prior to 2.0 release this is how they made coil sound. Without going through the effort to look it up I'll sum up what it said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phireblast
"The BCoB is a massive labyrinth beneath the continent of Eorzea and home to all kinds of nasty boss monsters ready to rip your face off. Players will have to navigate the maze and kill said bosses and in the future they will discover more entrances to the maze."
This suggested it was one giant instance with multiple access points (like a normal zone) that we would wander around killing bosses semi out of order. Instead we got....... well we 1 room instances repeated ad nauseum with no real connection to anything. -
07-09-2015, 03:24 AMStrejdaTomThis. Give people long way to the boss and when they start farming it... it will become a pain in the ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashkendor
I would rather see more bosses, more good fights than trash. -
07-09-2015, 03:27 AMNektulos-Tuor
They need to make a large contested zone in the world some place with really nice loot. <3
A massive labyrinth maze where you can get lost in with lots of bosses that are hard to get to and respawn. -
07-09-2015, 03:30 AMSonTensei
I am all for longer raids -- something like early WoW raids where
you enter kill trash and mini boss 1 drops some type of item that isnt the best but is an upgrade for someone run around kill more trash then main boss 1 who drops a big item mini bosses again that drop random stuff, back to the big bosses, etc.
I think its boring to kill trash, but I wouldnt mind some mini bosses in the raid that actually dropped items... ofc these items dont need to be the best possible gear but something in between for example
i180 is law/seal
i190 is alex
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07-09-2015, 03:37 AMMissionWell as long as the trash didn't respawn after 2 wipes i don't see a problem..what's wrong with it taking time to do things..even on farm..it should still take you a bit to clear something. Not oh..hey lets go get our pretty much free loot for the week. Now don't take this as oh everything has to be hard. I just want raids to feel like dungeons..and not like every other difficult thing in the game which is just pretty much a primal fight..cause yes..that's pretty much what the coils and alexander are currently cept for like someone mentioned..T1 was the closest thing to a dungeon so far in its prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by StrejdaTom
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07-09-2015, 04:12 AMLadonWouldn't want to take away anyone's precious time to stand aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Mission
Revenant's TollIdyllshire.