Bismark and Ravana Extreme: No solo queue?

So, my free company and I were wondering exactly WHY we can queue into the new raid, Alexander, solo DF while the Extreme Primals require a prebuilt team to do so. Is there a particular reason for this? And are there plans to change this in the future? If anybody has any info or articles they can point me toward, that would be great. :D

Top-tier content, traditionally, is locked behind requiring a full party for about a half patch cycle minimum before it's added to Duty Finder, to give people time to learn content.

That said, it is kind of surprising and a bit strange, even if Alexander's current iteration isn't its hard mode. I suspect you'll see Bismarck/Ravana added to DF in 3.05 in a couple weeks.

They are a lot harder than Alexander is.

For the next 2 weeks at least, they are endgame content.

Alexander is an item grind, designed for pugs.

EX Primals have always been that way. They will be released for solo queue in the DF a patch or two after they are released.

IMO ravana ex is alot harder and has way more mechanics and phases than any turn of the new raid. the only turn which is slighty similar in difficulty wise is t4. thats it. so for now rav ex is the hardest content. hence why gated. df killing ravana would only work on like 1 out of 50 trys maybe if you get lucky with very good players or all full exp players. the fight is not hard actually but it has alot of phases.

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Originally Posted by Muziko

So, my free company and I were wondering exactly WHY we can queue into the new raid, Alexander, solo DF while the Extreme Primals require a prebuilt team to do so. Is there a particular reason for this? And are there plans to change this in the future? If anybody has any info or articles they can point me toward, that would be great. :D

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because you can be item level 170 and people still fail the dps check on bismarck pretty miserably

you aren't clearing that content with a group full of dps who do less dps than tanks and execute mechanics even worse than they dps

Alexander Normal is built to be accessible.

BisEX/RavEX are standard issue EX primals which are initially not on the DF (Like every other EX primal), but will go on the DF after a while. (Like every other EX primal)

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

Top-tier content, traditionally, is locked behind requiring a full party for about a half patch cycle minimum before it's added to Duty Finder, to give people time to learn content.

That said, it is kind of surprising and a bit strange, even if Alexander's current iteration isn't its hard mode. I suspect you'll see Bismarck/Ravana added to DF in 3.05 in a couple weeks.

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But how am I supposed to learn the Primal fights if I can't queue for them? Waaah...

Hashtag solo player in a multiplayer game woes

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

They are a lot harder than Alexander is.

For the next 2 weeks at least, they are endgame content.

Alexander is an item grind, designed for pugs.

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Designed for pugs? In what universe are pugs competent enough to deal with Burden of the Father?

Probably because Alex NM is significantly easier than the ex primals :D majority of the pugs can't even clear Bismarck EX because of the measly dps check.

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Originally Posted by Velia

Designed for pugs? In what universe are pugs competent enough to deal with Burden of the Father?

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I completed it in three wipes with a random group of people I scraped together via PF. Burden is not mechanically intensive in the same way that something like Ravana Ex is. It mostly rests on the shoulders of the healers (and a small amount on the DPS to eat orbs during Quarantine).

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Originally Posted by Delorean

because you can be item level 170 and people still fail the dps check on bismarck pretty miserably

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I needed a few more tokens for my next lv60 job, and thought it would be easier to farm BisEx than RavEx with pugs.
Joined one PF that required ilv179.
And solo-healer, meaning they even had an extra DPS and me as a WAR in deliverance most of the fight.
The one poor healer was handling the shield and BOTH dragonkillers, and he was doing a good job imo, keeping both tanks and party alive and dealing with these 2 other mechanics.

STILL this party COULD NOT MEET the DPS check WITH 5 DPS with ilv 179+
On over 5 tries, it was a wipe during those colored dragons/serpents 4 times, and the only time we made to last phase, the bismark back thing did not die fast enough, nor did the adds....

So I'm quite sure there is very solid reason for this NOT being on DF solo-queueable.

Its not because it would be hard for pugs that you can't let them have at least the choice to do it or not.

You wouldn't be clearing Ravana-EX with DF anyway, trust me. BEX maybe.

Doesn't matter if it's PF or DF. You'd be on a fail train roller coaster heading to a pit of sharks, spikes, lava and man eating lalafells. The average joe dps can't deliver on Bismarck, not even close (even in 175+, the entire group) I can't even imagine what kinda mess Ravana would be.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

But how am I supposed to learn the Primal fights if I can't queue for them? Waaah...

Hashtag solo player in a multiplayer game woes

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There's a bit of a paradigm shift between the Japanese and English servers/communities when it comes to DF. We tend to think of DF as where you go to learn, and PF is for clearing/farming. But they view PF as the learning tool, and DF as the clearing/farming. So it kind of makes sense that they want you to use PF to learn the complex fights before you queue solo in DF...

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Originally Posted by ShaneDawn

Probably because Alex NM is significantly easier than the ex primals :D majority of the pugs can't even clear Bismarck EX because of the measly dps check.

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I've learned that this is merely a matter of just educating them very briefly on when to use all their CD's properly (particularly for BisEX).

Ravana-EX, OTOH, with a semi-PUG is just mostly about repetition.