This is starting to drive me bonkers, now.
Why do the ceruleum drive wheels on airships not rotate any more? Back during v1.x, all the bronco-type airships (the ones running between cities) had a rotating wheel underneath their prow. That wheel is still there, but ever since v2.0 it's been absolutely static.
Until now I'd accepted this - it was even a nice surprise to discover that the drive wheel on the Dezul Qualan did spin when its engine was started.
But now we're into 3.0, and not only do the ferry airships' drive wheels still not rotate, the same is true of the special airships as well! Neither the exposed drive wheel on the Enterprise nor on the Soleil rotate no matter how hard their engines are working. Again, I was sad to discover this, but I suppose I wasn't hugely surprised..
And then we see the Agrius MkII (for want of being able to find its actual name) .. and NOTHING IS SPINNING ON THAT EITHER. At that point it's a glaring issue because the framing of the shot shows some of the many drive wheels on its spine and they're all obviously, glaringly static. It no longer seems like a simple omission so much as something being genuinely wrong emphasised by the camera work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDSnzcaLaZg&t=4m43s - For reference's sake, this is the moment in the v1.0 intro when we first see the Agrius. Note the large number of these wheels on its spine, all moving, not to mention all the ceruleum drive wheels busily spinning and billowing blue exhaust on the various Garlean dreadnaughts and cruisers even before the Agrius appears.
I realise this is a petty complaint.. but isn't it equally easily fixed? If nothing else I would really like to know why it was decided that these wheels ought be static from v2.0 onwards. Not only does it just look weird and ugly, personally I thought the slowly rotating, blue-smoke-leaking wheels a cool signature element of Garlean/ceruleum technology.
Addition: Making the issue all the stranger, this issue isn't true of magitech enemies like the Magitech Vanguards/Vangobs. These machine do have exposed, rotating drive wheels that actually change the way they moved based on what the enemy is doing. Even more odd, unlike airships these models appear regularly during gameplay, where the game generally exerts far more computational stress under much less controlled conditions - which rather muddles the 'it's to reduce the rendering demand' argument.
BUT I WANT IT TO SPIN (Some HW spoilers)
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07-05-2015, 04:44 AMFensfieldBUT I WANT IT TO SPIN (Some HW spoilers)
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07-05-2015, 04:52 AMdank1
Whys this an issue? You'd probably be closer to having this somehow changed if you stated why's it an issue and how anyone can possibly benefit from this aside from it breaking your "immersion"
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07-05-2015, 05:03 AMGilraen
It was probably a move to cut down on the complexity of the airship models, as a kindness to average PC and console players. It wasn't really something that made too much sense to me, wheels on airships that served no apparent purpose beyond, "Look, a wheel with little flames shooting out!"
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07-05-2015, 05:03 AMFensfieldAaand the first reply's an attack for daring to voice my wondering why something was omitted - yay!Quote:
Originally Posted by dank1
See that part where I said I know it's petty, but just as easily fixed? Or the part where I said it seemed ugly (and the implicit suggestion that, if remedied, it'd benefit people by not being so), and I just wanted to know why if it couldn't be fixed?
Or the tongue-in-cheek title intended to suggest this wasn't the most earth-shattering of issues?
Or the part where I said how it broke my "immersiOH WAIT I DIDN'T.
I admit this is the logic that I came to and all, but nonetheless it seemed sad .. and by the same token well.. it's a wheel. And it's totally static. On the bronco-types where it's partially covered that's easy enough to glance over but on the Agrius model they're huge and all over the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
Now I admit dropping the flames was definitely understandable, but.. still. And why the exception for the Dezul Qualan? That cutscene was by far and away more graphically challenging than the brief, simple airship-ride scenes. It'd be lovely if they fixed/reinstated it but to be honest at this point I'd just like to know the reasoning.
As for 'wheels on airships that served no purpose', look back at 19th century technology which Garlemald's aesthetic draws heavily from - traction engines for instance. A lot of their workings were exposed including the main wheel that ran the drive from the engine to the wheels - or in the case of airships, the propulsion arms/propellers. -
07-05-2015, 05:38 AMRyuRootsBelieve it or not, some people who aren't mindless dudebros who just wanna be "strong" or edgy care about such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by dank1
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07-05-2015, 05:47 AMMusashidonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEQtcUDNLPsQuote:
Originally Posted by RyuRoots
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07-05-2015, 05:59 AMHypie
Wait wait wait wait!!! In that Trailer...you can see how the Primae are unsealed...what the....*completely irritated*
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07-05-2015, 06:01 AMMiitan
PS3 limitations.
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07-05-2015, 06:04 AMFensfieldOnce agaaaaiiin - That kinda was my assumption, but..Quote:
Originally Posted by Miitan
1 - This is an area in which they have regularly chosen to make the platform clients differ.
2 - The few instances where we do see the drive wheels rotate are generally much more demanding than the ones where they don't.
3 - (Add') What about the far more proliferate, wheel-exhibiting Vanguards/Vangobs that appear in far less controlled/more demanding conditions (IE: normal gameplay)? -
07-05-2015, 06:06 AMKryloEveryone knows an airship can't fly if you don't keep it's glossier rings rotating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
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07-05-2015, 07:22 AMMikedizzy
You should ask this in the live letter thread. Good luck getting it answered though.
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07-05-2015, 07:42 AMFensfieldIndeed.. still thanks, I might as well at least try asking!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikedizzy
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07-06-2015, 05:10 PMFensfield
Also, another note (and an admittedly albeit not-so-shameless bump >.>) the vast majority of non-airship machina employing ceruleum drives (IE: Vanguards/Vangobs) also have one or more such drive wheels that not only rotate normally, but ramp up whenever the machine is doing something strenuous like attacking.
Again this just brings me back to my question .. why static on the airships, especially on the big ones where there are multiple such wheels, glaringly obvious and glaringly immobile? The above-mentioned enemies have them rotating as standard and they generally appear during gameplay, where the developers have much less control over the computational stress being exerted by the game (and where the game's generally being more demanding on average) than during the cutscenes that airships primarily inhabit. -
07-09-2015, 12:45 AMFensfield
>.>
So it turns out the bloody great imperial air vessel is called the Gration. I discovered this upon performing a close inspection of the wheels mounted along its spine from flying choco-back.
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07-09-2015, 02:02 AMCanadaneImmersion is a rather important aspect of the nature of MMOs due to the time spent in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dank1
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07-09-2015, 02:36 AMAlmalexia
Like Butt Purge 2013, this was one of many cosmetics features lost in the jump to 2.0.
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07-09-2015, 05:15 AMFensfieldIf indeed we ever get one x.xQuote:
Originally Posted by Almalexia
*campaigns*
Although for the record I too miss the non-flat bottoms >.> And belts for that matter. My favourite acton's just not the same since I haven't been able to cinch it properly.