Cross class skills and traits

Anyone else thinks that Sqeenix passed a huge opportunity when they deciced to not release any new Cross Class choices and traits with Heavensward?

Could have added some more diversity at level 60, right now everyone runs the same cross class skills and a lot of them aren't even worth taking...

I like the idea, but tbh it would have boiled down to whats the best build and most would go with that.

yeah i was expecting a extra cross class and level 50-60 traits

would be nice with 3.1 or 3.2 to get like 2-3 new traits to be quested @60, to be completed after the current final lvl60 job quest

Unless they made NEW cross class skills...it is barely worth having 5 for some jobs as usually the 5th one is not very useful. Bard...for example...for the fifth chooses Mantra or keen flurry...uh....what??? not that great....keen flurry was great though while leveling to 60...but now back to being Mantra, I guess....LOL.

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Originally Posted by Ceta_pls

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Right now everyone plays the same, period ... -_-
Or at least, have a singular goal in mind for their respective jobs

in my opinion, they passed a huge opportunity not making new class actions.

I was kinda thinking they could add more class actions, then make some existing ones cross class.
For example in THM, they should have added Fire 4 and Bliz 4 (imo ofc) to the base class then made all Fire Bliz and Thunder 1s and 2s available to all DoMs (and some jobs like SMN). One benefit is that other DoMs will have more offensive options under their sleeves with Fire or Bliz 1 at 170 potency. Another side benefit is that DoMs will finally get the elemental diversity that's supposedly restricted the elemental strength / weakness. Likewise they could do the same with Stone and Aero, or perhaps Skull Sunder and Savage Blade will get their respective combos.

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Originally Posted by Mikedizzy

Unless they made NEW cross class skills...it is barely worth having 5 for some jobs as usually the 5th one is not very useful. Bard...for example...for the fifth chooses Mantra or keen flurry...uh....what??? not that great....keen flurry was great though while leveling to 60...but now back to being Mantra, I guess....LOL.

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Feint. Insta-cast, useful on the move, makes us lose less DPS on the movement-heavy fights. Then again, if you never use minuet for prolonged periods of time, it's useless.

Cross class skills will never be a true choice the way they are now.
We are limited to a fixed number of slots, and that implies that all skills would need to have the same value - which they don't.

So it's not a matter of adding more. It won't fix the problem, it'll merely hide it for a while.

Cross class skills need to use a point-allocation system.
It's a simple transition - instead of X slots, you get Y points.
Then, SE can give each skill a value that closely resembles its overall usefulness, and thus make your choices real choices.
This cost may even vary between class/job, because a single skill won't be equally valuable to all classes/jobs.
Example: If your "cross-class skill capacity" is 20, and you equip a skill worth 6 points to your class/job, you are now at 6/20.

Traits yes. The cross class system is so wonky.

The hell am I supposed to do with Savage Blade and Skull Sunder?.... 2 years into the game and they're still there...

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Originally Posted by MaethusXion

would be nice with 3.1 or 3.2 to get like 2-3 new traits to be quested @60, to be completed after the current final lvl60 job quest

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This ^ i do so quite hope they plan on implementing a new trait or two down the line here.

i would also love to see a 6th slot opened up for additional actions.


has anyone played Eden Eternal? i hop FF will eventually start doing something similar from that game. not saying FF should have an exact system like that, but... i don't think it would hurt to take at least one page from their book. the cross-class system in FFXIV is just very dull.

We need more dynamic interactions between existing abilities so that our rotations become less predictable, and offer more opportunities for skilled players to stand out amidst the rest.
That's the only kind of Traits I hope they add next.

I speak mainly of procs/stacks generated through "controled RNG" (i.e.: 100% chance on crits with specific abilities. or X% chance from abilities regardless of crits, X% on tick from ability Y to reset cooldown of ability Z) that provide an opportunity that involves meaningful decision-making in the middle of combat.
I'm not talking about PGL/MNK-style buff maintenance.

Because right now, there's very little room to distinguish two players with the same gear and Job - assuming both know the enemy/encounter/Job.

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Originally Posted by R-Kine

Traits yes. The cross class system is so wonky.

The hell am I supposed to do with Savage Blade and Skull Sunder?.... 2 years into the game and they're still there...

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Technically I think if you wanted to have a mnk or drg play makeshift tank for a bunch of friends, cross classed skull sunder is probably going to be the (or one of the) highest enmity moves they can use while striking from the front. Not something you'll use all the time, but the niche is there.

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Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY

This ^ i do so quite hope they plan on implementing a new trait or two down the line here.

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I wish they would have thrown in a few traits from 50-60 that changed or modified existing abilities instead of just throwing in 5 new abilities. Some classes already have too many buttons as it is.

Traits don't do much other than switching up your class mechanics/rotation every 5-10 levels.

Almost like the new job abilities did.

Cross Class is likely something they want phased out since they've had no semblance of supporting them outside of tweaking how strong they were (In which they made them weaker. Remember when bards could cross into every dps cooldown when they were 20% untraited?)

If anything, traits / cross class would get folded into the base classes and removed entirely. There's already some very obsolete abilities that could stand to get removed, changed, or improved, and rather than clunk it up with traits, you might as well just bake it into the class. The traits themselves serve no purpose than ensuring no other class can use your skills as well as you can. Given how limited the armory choices are once you get your Jerb, traits are fluff at that point.