flare/holy nerf

i usually somewhat agree with the nerfs that are done in a way to balance the classes so no one is greater, however i think that the nerf to flare has the opposite effect.

Either the recast of flare needs to be lowered, or the recast of whm holy needs to be increased.

Sure holy got nerfed, but it has a low recast so the whm can still easily outdps blm or probably any other dps for that matter.

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Originally Posted by reillyblair

i usually somewhat agree with the nerfs that are done in a way to balance the classes so no one is greater, however i think that the nerf to flare has the opposite effect.

Either the recast of flare needs to be lowered, or the recast of whm holy needs to be increased.

Sure holy got nerfed, but it has a low recast so the whm can still easily outdps blm or probably any other dps for that matter.

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A White Mage can only keep up a holy spam for so long, even with full mp support from mcn/brd. Your probably right saying a whm will outdps a blm or any other dps... But only until the White Mage runs out of MP. Black Mage has unlimited resources and can keep a flare rotation going indefinitely.

No changes should be made, I for one am satisfied with the nerfs despite being out of MP nearly every time a tank try's to speed run because Enemies just don't die in the same time they used to anymore.

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Originally Posted by Scholar-

But only until the White Mage runs out of MP

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True, but in combination with empowered MP-Card from AST it sure helps in a raid for an even longer time.

Doesn't matter. WHM ain't no DPS class.

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Originally Posted by Delroy7

True, but in combination with empowered MP-Card from AST it sure helps in a raid for an even longer time.

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In a situation where a whm is playing with an AST it is unlikely any holy spamming will occur.

Oh. Another BLM trying to get WHM nerfed.

MP isn't the only restriction to holy spam. Needing to heal is a more important factor. WHM + AST, WHM has to heal. WHM + SCH, SCH is the one dpsing.

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Originally Posted by SecretCrowds

Oh. Another BLM trying to get WHM nerfed.

MP isn't the only restriction to holy spam. Needing to heal is a more important factor. WHM + AST, WHM has to heal. WHM + SCH, SCH is the one dpsing.

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Also remember we have to ensure we make time to switch out of cleric to start healing. This is a precious second sometimes especially now with a lot of new tanks or those not familiar with new skills. Running into 20k hp Warriors that get the crap beat out of them compared to a 12k Warrior that doesn't even flinch. The nerf has me rarely using holy period because of the mana loss. It is what it is though. We're still healers and I think our new spells are amazing. We shouldn't exactly be too hurt if they take holy down since we aren't intended to be DPS.

whm already been nerfed im just saying its an unfair adjustment to blm as there not at all the same.

Most of the rotation with flare includes using swift cast.

In the time it takes to cast flare without swift cast a whm can spam about 5 to 6 times holy, this to me feels unbalanced.

I do agree that healers should be healing more then dps'ing and i actually think healers should have a better mp pool or a way of regening their mp i have played a healer so im not totally ignorant of the issues healers face.

I hope that makes changes but not to whm... why is everyone against healers dpsing? I know how to give my group about 20 secs of invincibilty with all our regens cast my aeros and holy to stun them all. Its good burst damage but holy is very mana hungry. And does always do as signicant damage as one thinks. My holys hit for 1k to each enemy while my flares 3k and i am able to cast it 3 ttimes so each enemy is get 9k. I just dont want whm to change i love dpsing and healing and whm allows me to do both.

because healers are meant to keep people alive not dps most of the fights their job is to heal i get chucking an aero or holy every now and then but theres alot of whm i have seen that just spam holy instead of healing and hope everyone survives

So you adapt around Flare's cast time. A WHM can only spam Holy if there's another healer in the group (8 man content) who also isn't adding to DPS but is handling healing for two. Or if the content's easy enough/a group is downing things fast enough that they can just make that even faster.

Our costs in using flare meant nothing because as Scholar- said, we could spam it with impunity. Literally the only cost was the cast time itself, which with swiftcast and ensuring you ate food that upped your spell speed really wasn't a cost either. Now we have a legit drawback that isn't even really a draw back. Mobs still die pretty darn fast and people are happy when we use flare.

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Originally Posted by reillyblair

In the time it takes to cast flare without swift cast a whm can spam about 5 to 6 times holy, this to me feels unbalanced..

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The Hyperbole is real. Flare is 4s to cast and Holy is 3s to cast.

Personally I don't care that much for the holy and flare nerfs but Holy isn't over powered simply because if the Whitemage spams it too much, the tank is going to die (and the rest of the group soon after). If we're in a situation where there's no tank and death isn't an issue then sure, holy wins, but are we ever in that situation?

I wish they could reign in the freaking mp scaling. A healer was commenting about it the other night, and was shocked when I started watching the actual numbers on my spells. Hate to see what it's like after they give us another level cap increase.

I've personally avoided leveling my WHM to 60 because of the Holy nerf, I understand healers main role is to keep everyone alive, but I'd rather DPS instead of stand in battle-idle when no healing needs to be done, and Holy was the WHM godsend trump card, but now it feels like I'm just wasting MP. At least Aero III and Stone III are there to balance it out.

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Originally Posted by Ulyssess

I've personally avoided leveling my WHM to 60 because of the Holy nerf, I understand healers main role is to keep everyone alive, but I'd rather DPS instead of stand in battle-idle when no healing needs to be done, and Holy was the WHM godsend trump card, but now it feels like I'm just wasting MP. At least Aero III and Stone III are there to balance it out.

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Still worth popping when you can, any amount of DPS helps.
Silly reason not to up 60. Do remember you're a healer first and foremost, as you say.

As much as I dislike the Flare nerf, and am indifferent to the holy nerf... GIVE ME BACK MY DAMN MANAWALL

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Originally Posted by reillyblair

i usually somewhat agree with the nerfs that are done in a way to balance the classes so no one is greater, however i think that the nerf to flare has the opposite effect.

Either the recast of flare needs to be lowered, or the recast of whm holy needs to be increased.

Sure holy got nerfed, but it has a low recast so the whm can still easily outdps blm or probably any other dps for that matter.

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wut

A good BLM does more than a WHM

And in light parties, the tank will die if the WHM just spam holy and do 0 heals lol

Healers get 0 accuracy on gear too

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Originally Posted by Ulyssess

I've personally avoided leveling my WHM to 60 because of the Holy nerf, I understand healers main role is to keep everyone alive, but I'd rather DPS instead of stand in battle-idle when no healing needs to be done, and Holy was the WHM godsend trump card, but now it feels like I'm just wasting MP. At least Aero III and Stone III are there to balance it out.

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Holy still hits relatively hard and if you find time to throw a few in can add up to a pretty hefty amount of damage, not to mention we also now have Assize which is a nice little 300 potency AoE to throw in with it when it won't be needed as a heal. I think the addition of Assize and Aero III more than make up for the Holy nerf unless you're in some kind of position of being able to sit and spam Holy on five targets endlessly.

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Originally Posted by Raist

I wish they could reign in the freaking mp scaling. A healer was commenting about it the other night, and was shocked when I started watching the actual numbers on my spells. Hate to see what it's like after they give us another level cap increase.

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You do realise the Mp scaling has not changed ? It's exactly the same situation as the start of ARR.