...Inventory?

I know this has probably been talked about before, but coming back to this game again and with new classes thrown in the mix, are we getting more space to handle all the stuff? If someone is doing a bit of crafting on the side along with collecting pieces for vanity sets, the inventory gets so cluttered it's actually pretty intimidating to deal with.

we'll be lucky if square lets us even have 1 more free retainer
for now they want you to pay extra for more retainers per month on top of your sub

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Originally Posted by Kukajoo

we'll be lucky if square lets us even have 1 more free retainer
for now they want you to pay extra for more retainers per month on top of your sub

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Yeah, I'm already paying for a single new retainer. It seems a bit like robbery given what other games offer in terms of inventory, and right now FFXIV actually encourages hording thanks to the multiple classes and vanity system.

Yoshida: First and foremost we've heard this question asked multiple times around the world and we want to mention that in Final Fantasy XIV just the sheer volume of the character data and the number of items each character can hold is much greater than that of a typical MMO. The reason why we can’t increase the size of the armory chest quickly or easily relates to how often we rewrite the data into the servers in the back end. We rewrite the data every fifteen seconds so even if the server goes down you don’t experience a rollback. Of course with the sheer volume of the character data when you expand the armory chest the amount of load that goes into the rewriting and refreshing of the back end servers would increase and we’re trying to keep it as quick as possible. We currently have it at fifteen seconds but if we were to add more load to it then it may make it take longer to do that refresh and it may delay to thirty seconds, one minute, fifteen minutes. We don’t want to take away from the player experience. We don’t want things to slow down because we’re expanding the armory chest. We’re researching ways in which we can make that happen. We need more time to make that happen. We’re not saying it’s impossible but your patience would be appreciated as we try to figure out a way to optimize the process so that it won’t take away from the speed and affect playability or the player’s experience. We are trying to implement something that can be addressed quicker which is increasing the number of retainers. So in the mean time we if you are using things within the game fairly frequently you may want to utilize the expanded retainer capabilities.



Pax Interview: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/pax_2015_interview



I for one can't wait for more inventory space. But at least 12.99 + 2.00 = 14.99 price of a "Normal" sub, so i justify at least ONE retainer.

Yeah, that's about as far as I'm willing to go with this pay extra for inventory system. The only option right now is finding some time to literally go through and liquidate 90% of my assets to make room for new gear, which is going to take a lot of time away from actually playing heavensward.

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Yeah, that's about as far as I'm willing to go with this pay extra for inventory system. The only option right now is finding some time to literally go through and liquidate 90% of my assets to make room for new gear, which is going to take a lot of time away from actually playing heavensward.

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I think i spent about 1 hour or 2 hours resorting all my retainers and putting stuff into the Armoire etc etc. xD

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I think i spent about 1 hour or 2 hours resorting all my retainers and putting stuff into the Armoire etc etc. xD

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Yeah, that's likely what is going to happen this coming weekend. I never like doing it, though, since I can't tell what I need to keep or not half the time. x x

I understand the on-person inventory limitations.
But there really is no reason why we shouldn't have more space on our retainers, or an ACTUAL chest in our housing/inn room that could hold ANY items, or at least ANY equip...
You don't have to save those often...

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I for one can't wait for more inventory space. But at least 12.99 + 2.00 = 14.99 price of a "Normal" sub, so i justify at least ONE retainer.

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You know when I read that interview I thought it was ... "odd" that he'd say that yet at the same time announce they were doubling the amount of extra retainers. I know its not as many people who would buy the extra retainers, much less the max amount ... but why make the problem worse? Something doesnt smell right.

As for the quoted part, thats what ive been trying to point out all this time. They can solve this entire mess easily by just letting us transfer items to alts in the same server. Theyd get paid more by more players, we'd pay more but still not more than a regular sub, we'd have more inventory space in a way thats common with other MMOs, and it'd be individual characters so the "saving to the server" thing wouldnt change at all. Its NOT that good of a anti-RMT system, they really need to get off that already. Again, something doesnt smell right.

Also, way to be inefficient SE. We want inventory, more importantly, retainer inventory. He makes it sound like they save the entirety of our character to the server every 15 seconds. If thats so then maybe they should ... you know... separate it!? Seeing as how we dont use our retainer inventory constantly it would cut down on the amount needed to be saved drastically. I dont see how something like this could be overlooked while they were designing the game.

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the inventory gets so cluttered

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Yea its pretty bad. I have all classes to 50 and I like to craft. It's causing a decent amount of issues between equipment and crafting mats.

The retainer system is very cumbersome as is, resorting is very time consuming and moving stuff the the armoire is also time consuming. We need a revamp of the system to let you access your "bank" and have all of it together rather than on separate retainers.

Use any of the retainers to access your bank or sell items. Separating it all out is a terribly annoying click click click .. crap that's on my other retainer click click click arg it's on the next one :/

If they consolidated it into a single menu that would be nice. The retainer personalities would be the main issue with that though...

If their excuse is "we don't want to roll back and you lose stuff" - which at the moment stands of a maximum of 15 seconds of "stuff", player poll it! Ask us if we'd be happy to lose a minute of our time if that doubled/tripled/quadrupled our inventory...I bet I can guess the outcome...and that's only IF the server crashes, so it's a tiny inventory for those times the server crashes where you'd lose the last minute of your time (if in that minute you got an item in to your inventory) - talk about catering for a niche set of circumstances!

...which leads me to believe what he said was actually a lie - or at least a gross exaggeration of the truth. I won't speculate as to what the truth actually is: plenty of people have a few, probably accurate, ideas.

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...which leads me to believe what he said was actually a lie - or at least a gross exaggeration of the truth. I won't speculate as to what the truth actually is: plenty of people have a few, probably accurate, ideas.

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Thats another thing... 15 seconds seems way too excessive for the off chance that servers crash. Even if they did, 15 seconds is nothing. Id hate to lose hours maybe, so long as it doesnt happen every day. I think this happened to me once during WoW around its release, lost 2-3 hours... sucked but it happens. Never happened again. Ive played quite a few MMO's since then and havent had a rollback happen. Has there been an actual server crash in this game yet?

Some of you are underestimating the loss in a 15 second window. Imagine getting the piece you have been farming for in an instance for a few hours/days/weeks and then it drops. You win the roll, and head to the exit. The instance server crashes and if the save was 1 minute or more, you just lost your item. 15 seconds makes that a bit less likely to happen (it will happen to someone, but not as often). I have seen this occur many times in other MMOs, Everquest being the worst. Theirs was a 15 minute timer. If you ever got an item in EQ the best way to assure your inventory was saved was to trade someone a copper piece. Trades forced an instant save. Can't count how many times I've lost drops because of their crappy system and no one around to force a character save.

I doubt a solution is going to happen guys, not when extra inventory slots can be purchased.

Ya the inventory/armory is a complete mess. This is really something they should of prioritized imho. It's a real pain in the arse to deal with. Not only the space, but the visibility of all the different types of items is just a cluster. I wish they would do more in the way of using colors to denote the different kinds of items in your inventory. Maybe have gathered items/mats have a green shade. Also have a tiny symbol to indicate what class/job gear is for. Obviously it would get cluttered to hell if they put all the jobs symbols on a icon, but how about one that indicates ranged DPS, one for melee dps, one for healer, one for tank, and one for all. Or if they wanted to over simplify, just have a little square icon, that has the simple role colors, blue, red, and green. I just want a lot better visibility to the UI, like another poster said its intimidating when your dealing with a lot of stuff in your inventory.

DragonFly with a 15 second rollback you could still lose that item - if it crashes on exit that 15 seconds may have happened just before you got your drop and won't for 14.9 seconds more - you leave after even 14 second and your item is gone - it hasn't happened yet I don't think for FFXIV, bigger bugs have caused bigger problems.

My point was, would the increased risk of say 30 seconds for more inventory based on the stats to date and the low risk really not be worth it? You will always get edge cases, but I think saying "we want to save everything every 15 seconds" is a piss poor excuse to limit inventory size.

And honestly - I'd stay in an stance for 1 minute after I got my item to ensure a save check had happened and take twice the inventory any day.

I'm happy with my 8 retainers.

I would rather have more space and I could even live with up 15mins rewrite times if it takes that long... which i don't think it would get that high...

And I can't even start gathering or crafting again all that much with almost not space and I'm not paying for 3 more retainers! They could added 2 free retainers then pay for 2 more retainers would have been good.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

I'm happy with my 8 retainers.

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And this why we won't be getting any more free inventory space. Why give it for free when you can charge extra money for it every month. Renting retainers for real money is stupid. If they want to go this route and charge for inventory space they should at least have retainers in the cash shop for a flat fee and then you own that retainer forever. As it is now you are just renting that extra space.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

I'm happy with my 8 retainers.

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Of course you are Richie McMoneybags, but us peasants are starting to feel the strain.

I'm hoping they're just holding off to see how many people are willing to pay for them. What's going on here is that paid retainer services, and the mogshop, are financing additional housing servers. I get that, I'm one that doesn't have a house cause they're not available, not cause I don't have gil. Imo, we should be getting 1 included retainer for the expack, I'd still keep the 2 extra I'm paying for.

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Theyd get paid more by more players, we'd pay more but still not more than a regular

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Please don't encourage anything of the sort. We just need more armory space and inventory space.

It's the FC chest that annoys me. Between gardening and now the workshop this is just asinine. There is so much an fc should have on hand that we can't because reasons. It is very discouraging towards FC cooperation when people have to have additional characters to supplement the fc chest. I'm on ps3 and logging out and back in cause someone needs something takes a lot more time than I should have to invest.

So if the write time was 30s we could have twice as much inventory?

Seems worth it to me.

Except for when you defeat T13, get the weapon you've been grinding for, then you d/c, or crash when zoning. Obviously situational, but I know it happens, and having the fastest possible update time is kind of needed to help prevent the potential loss of items. So I understand why they are trying to be very careful with this.

I just want a Glamour Log or gear-set tickets(like in FFXI) If I could have a Glamour Log that would free up at least 1 full retainer for me.

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And this why we won't be getting any more free inventory space. Why give it for free when you can charge extra money for it every month. Renting retainers for real money is stupid. If they want to go this route and charge for inventory space they should at least have retainers in the cash shop for a flat fee and then you own that retainer forever. As it is now you are just renting that extra space.

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I'd love more inventory space, but lets not pretend that this is something new with SE. In FFXI it was called paying for extra characters to use them as mules.

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I just want a Glamour Log or gear-set tickets(like in FFXI) If I could have a Glamour Log that would free up at least 1 full retainer for me.

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And yeah, a glamour log is really needed. Half the stuff on one of my retainers is just gear that I'm keeping for glamours. Didn't they mention adding an item log a very long time ago?

Honestly I think a lot of problems can be solved alone with 5 additional slots to the armoury. 4 new jobs have been added since we started at 25 slots. Please SE, make it 30.

Also, and I may be dreaming here, but maybe a separate glamour armoury? Maybe something small like 5 slots per gear slot? >_>

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Originally Posted by Jandor

I doubt a solution is going to happen guys, not when extra inventory slots can be purchased.

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this 100% agreed

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Originally Posted by Juz10y0

I think i spent about 1 hour or 2 hours resorting all my retainers and putting stuff into the Armoire etc etc. xD

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Same here.... I have one retainer for leveling gear to be used and re-used/shared (level 1-49ish gear for all classes), Materia and some random dyes; one retainer for all level 50 stuff that I've accumulated from CT, Coils, level 50 Dungeon gear (much of which I've since turned in to the GC for seals that none of my classes would need to use once they hit 50. Don't need dem Darklight stuff anymore...), old AF gear, old ST sets, old Soldiery gear and soldiery/poetics pieces for later 50'd jobs for glamour (before they go away); bought a third a while back for random junk like housing stuff my retainers have looted and refuse to return to their owners, foods and crafting mats....

Bought another retainer last night just for the new Heavensward gear alone, for space. x_x Since I'm just grabbing anything I can use for MNK or plan to use soon (MCH/AST/DRK) after I'm done with MSQ and WHM and etc.

I've been leaving class-specific gear (PLD only, etc for example) behind for classes I probably won't level passed 30 (for cross skills) or 50 on my main character (such as BLM/DRG/PLD/WAR), threw old outdated gear (I still have Heroes gear o_o) at the GC and even then it's just.... I'm out of space in my retainers and my inv/armory x.x I'm a horrible, horrible horder and all of it is a "just in case". :|
I like to call it 'pre-preperation awareness'
Just in case I can use this later, just in case I decide to level this later, just in case I want to glam this, just in case this later no longer exists for glams....

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And this why we won't be getting any more free inventory space. Why give it for free when you can charge extra money for it every month. Renting retainers for real money is stupid. If they want to go this route and charge for inventory space they should at least have retainers in the cash shop for a flat fee and then you own that retainer forever. As it is now you are just renting that extra space.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTYpKlIc_fg

Welcome to the new age of business.

I would much rather see server side expanded before they up the time it re-writes. Then every action you have pretty much does not register for , say 30 seconds because if the servers fall within that time you are reverted.

I agree with the little Lalafell. I really want armoury space more than anything right now. x_x

Also a proper glamour spot, maybe a chest to just stash EVERYTHING in and a re-haul of the glamour system.. *Shrug*

As for me, i'm going to work what i have now so far im okay with the 14.99 a month using 1 char sub fee + 1 retainer.

Why can't there be just 1 storage with same amount of pages (or even tabs /w pages for each retainer) that each retainer would add! Cause just trying to find stuff from 5 retainers can take to long and each retainers could still be there and uses same storage! cause having to switch retainers just to find something is starting be a chore!

And yes I'm trying to keep Materia/metal/ore/wood on 1 and cloth/leather/regents on another, but with each new retainer it is hard to move items around too, and armor/weapons from dungeons/trials mostly weapons...