I've been running the story and ran into a number of instanced fights as well as getting into Dusk Vigil with a random group of people sitting outside.
Everything has been a complete faceroll so far. I've not seen one death; no one died nor wipes in Dusk Vigil. We didn't even have to care about boss mechanics. And from what I understand, Dusk Vigil was a side dungeon so that could even have reason for being higher difficulty than a story dungeon because players aren't required to complete it.
The dungeon was very aesthetically pleasing, but without any challenge nor any type of exploration in the actual dungeon there wasn't much enjoyment to it.
[EDIT] I should mention the Dusk Vigil run was with a MCH and a DRK, so I don't think they were overgeared.
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06-21-2015, 02:51 PMZeno_McDohlPlease make story/dungeons at least a little challenging. (Heavensward)
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06-21-2015, 02:55 PMSylve
Go do it on the minimum ilvl sync option.
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06-21-2015, 02:58 PMJungoBungo
Well, we can have that, or I could just have a smooth experience in Duty Finder even with people that aren't doing their best. Or even close to it.
I get the desire for challenge, but I think there'll be plenty of it at 60. For just story progress and hard mode duties and regular dungeons, I've been pretty content with their difficulty. -
06-21-2015, 03:05 PMKisaiTenshiYou need to complete Dark Vigil to be able to fly in that zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeno_McDohl
And while it indeedy seems like a faceroll, keep in mind that just about everyone playing it is wearing ilevel 120/130/135 gear in a dungeon that was designed for for 115.
I'm not gonna say it felt hard (I died trying to prevent the DPS from dying after one of them pulled the monsters while the Tank was in the next room.) The MSQ content on healer is harder, albeit again, note overgear. -
06-21-2015, 03:14 PMLemuria
Just goes to show, you can't please everyone. I personally found the new dungeons to have the right balance of difficulty. Understanding the item level that the devs expected you to have at reaching that point is critical here. Most of us outgear the dungeon because we're item level 130 or so, a level which is supposed to carry us well into the level 55 range. The quest rewards at around level 52 are item level 115-125, as are the dungeon drops.
That being said, I found it enjoyable and there were some nice mechanics on the bosses. The second dungeon I especially enjoyed (do try to avoid posting spoilers if you know which one I'm talking about). -
06-21-2015, 03:20 PMKiara1
I agree that dusk vigil was very boring and way too easy. And since it wasn't in story quest they could've made it harder.
I don't like it when they make main quests things like trials hard though because then as soon as you say you are new people will instaquit and you need to requeue again.
(I'm having over an hour queue to ravana, and also dusk vigil, hows you queuetimes?) -
06-21-2015, 03:32 PMNadirahGot a friend that's been stuck on the level 42 duty with the siren and adds for four days and refuses to do it until he's at maximum level for the sync because he's DRG and bad and can't stop dying and has almost rage quit twice now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiara1
Story content being difficult is a terrible idea.
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Nah, just folks in Dreadwyrm in a zone designed for 115.Quote:
Maybe the players are just getting better?
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06-21-2015, 03:33 PMWHSMaybe the players are just getting better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeno_McDohl
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06-21-2015, 03:39 PMCakekizy
Thok ast Thok (Hard) is much more difficult, wiped 4-5 times and almost ran out of time on it.
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06-21-2015, 03:46 PMZeno_McDohlWhat's the min ilevel for Dusk Vigil? I don't see it mentioned on DF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylve
But I don't think we even failed any mechanics. It didn't seem like because we were overgeared. But I'll try min ilevel. -
06-21-2015, 06:27 PMDualblade
Should be noted that just because you had two people on two of the new classes doesn't mean they aren't overgeared. My own DRK, if he was at the level to do it, would be atleast ilvl120 since I got a good bit of Poetic gear after getting my DRG outfitted, as well as already having the Augmented Claymore ready to go.
So overgearring is still a thing most likely. That said Dusk does seem a little on the easy side...but then, Ravana is apparently awesome so that might make up for it. -
06-21-2015, 06:35 PMApinaheebo
Killed Thok ast Thok also on my first try. I still have no idea of the tactics.
I hope the game gets harder. -
06-21-2015, 07:43 PMZfzThis!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylve
To the op:
Dusk Vigil is designed for people wearing 115. Not for people with full 130 and Zeta. As it is now again a leveling dungeon, it is meant to be easily cleared. We'll get the difficult stuff at 60 when hard modes are released.
Remember when we had to arrange how may Tonberry adds to kill in Wanderer's Palace so the boss doesn't one-shot the tank with a 5k stab? Most of the people are simply overgeared for Dusk Vigil now, it's not fair to talk about difficulty unless you've cleared it using the minimum iLv option. -
06-21-2015, 08:26 PMGooner_iBluAirJGRFFXIV dungeons have been a linear experience since day one so I'm not surprised that the new dungeons are the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeno_McDohl
Regarding the difficulty from a tank PoV, I find the mobs hit a lot harder than they did in lv.50 dungeons so I have to use cooldowns and pull groups sparingly as opposed to speed running so in that regard its tougher than it was at lv.50