i think PLD isnt "holy" enough

paladin in almost any game is always the stereotypical holy knight, but in here there isnt enough stuff that makes them feel holy knight imo

skills like holy cross or holy smite are like staple crusader/paladin skills and there isnt really anything like it.

they couldve renamed the current PLD as Guardian and it wouldve fit better.

*sips tea* inb4ragingpaladins

Well, just wait until an expansion comes out. Maybe you'll get lucky.

Divine Veil, Clemency, etc.

This is gonna be fun. XD

Paladins aren't really holy to begin with. They're just glorified knights and none of them healing, holiness, etc. The idea of Paladins being holy warriors started with DnD.

Ergo, FFXIV's PLD still fits the definition.

Paladins are mostly corrupt more than anything, most lore shows a gang of darkside paladin, or Paladins betraying the order. In ff14 it also shows that. They are not holy just self righteous good or bad, they believe only their way is right.

Paladins are just knights. There is no inherent 'holy' connotation to the name.

I´ve read a few times here that they are called "Knight" in the japanese version. No wonder they don´t really have lots of Holy Paladin stuff. I am still wondering why they didn´t translate the class name correctly.

Not this again. PLDs here are the elite royal guard of Ul'dah, the Sultansworn, of whom the player isn't even a member of, but instead has just learned their special sword and shield skills. As the game terms it, you're a 'free PLD', a knight errant essentially. And as Rawker mentioned, the idea of the Job being 'holy' knights mostly comes from Dungeons and Dragons. Lets face it, the player character is already a holy warrior to start with, regardless of what class or Job they are, being the 'Warrior of Light' as ordained by Hydaelyn Herself.

Really, SE can call them however they wish (and before you pass judgement, in version 1.0 PLDs did use holy spells after a fashion, but that was because SCH didn't exist and thus they needed a second healing Job in the game besides WHM. With SCH's introduction in ARR PLD lost it's potency in healing in favour of straight tanking. You win some you lose some.)

It's the western culture of the word Paladin to be sure. I've been laughing for a long time that the Pirate (MRD ) and Beserker (WAR) types have more honor and in the MRD's case, selfless acts, than the Paladin.

Your character is how you play it, but your primary trainer *spoilers* as a Paladin is a self righteous idiot that doesn't even realize he's in the pocket of the Monetarists. As one of my guild leaders put it, "You helped make an even bigger mess in Ul'dah. Nice going, Morvik!"

I dunno. With how low the cooldown on Spirit's Within is, they certainly seem 'holey' enough with a stab that powerful. Well, in terms of how many holes the enemy has when it is defeated.

Your wish has been granted in the expansion.

Riot blade and spirit's within.

theres your holeyness.


(on a more serious note, paladin is just another name for 'sultansworn.' we are the equivalent of a royal guard, not a knight wielding holy magic.)

You don't think it would be weird having a so called "holy cross" in a game where christianity doesn't exist?

Now, now... Let's not tap into "that" topic. A cross can symbolize anything.

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Now, now... Let's not tap into "that" topic. A cross can symbolize anything.

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It doesn't have anything to do with Hydaelyn though does it? So there is really no connection to crosses in this game whatsoever. Which would make no sens for them to bring it here.

Yes, it doesn't. The game stayed clear away from any of the popular religions we have, irl... as far as my knowledge of everything lore-related in the game.

Paladins, in the FF sense of the term, have always just been Fighters who get access to a handful of White Mage Skills. As people have already stated, another name for the Paladin class is Knight. The earliest example of this actually comes from the very first Final Fantasy, in which the Fighter class gained the first few White Mage spells upon gaining their advanced class which was called Knight.

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Paladins aren't really holy to begin with. They're just glorified knights and none of them healing, holiness, etc. The idea of Paladins being holy warriors started with DnD.

Ergo, FFXIV's PLD still fits the definition.

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Cecil Harvey would like a word.

They're called Knights (ナイト) - not Paladins - in Japanese. Paladin is actually a french word & title for "a chivalrous" knight" - seeing as they originally were a royal guard I think the term is fine.

Warrior is (戦士) - which is analogous to Guardian, Fighter, Soldier and (of course) Warrior in Japanese.

In the Japanese version of the FF games, Paladin was just called Knight.
In this game, they are royal guards so thinking of them as knights is more fitting, not necessarily holy crusaders.

The idea of Paladin's being "holy knights" and such did not start with DnD but is actually a part of what a "Paladin" is.

The Paladin were the inner circle, or royal guard, for the Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne, who was integral to the spread of Christianity across Europe. Their name comes from this. The area of a castle/medieval town where the palace and nobility resided was known as the Palatine. The Paladin were known as the knights of the Palatine or Paladine, which has evolved into Paladin. So the royal and holy associations with Paladin are actually a defining factor of the Paladin.

The modern idea of what Paladin are, and where DnD got much of it's concept of Paladin is from Arthurian legend and the Knights of the Round table.

So, yeah ... pre-DnD.

Anyways, with the new post 50 abilities, it seems SE is indeed adding more to PLD to give it that holy Knight tonality.