I was wondering if anyone at all, on here, uses Twitch. I'm hoping to experiment live streaming sometime soon, with just gameplay - with just live video of myself and voice muted, I currently don't have a camera equipped, but I have had thoughts about getting one. On the ps4 console, I've seen live streams of the gameplay, with neither voice or live image of the player.
But anyway, I hope anyone is willing to see the male gamer behind the female character on this game.
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06-13-2015, 02:30 AM-DMR-using Twitch
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06-13-2015, 02:56 AMsilverhopeTwitch is for live video.. if you wanna do no voice or live go make a youtube channel.Quote:
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edit: if u wanna do live video on twitch and have no camera or voice many will jsut move on and not watch -
06-13-2015, 04:50 AMOnikimaru
lol way to encourage somebody wanting to get into streaming >.>. He should be able to do what he wants without you telling him people will ignore his channel. The main goal isn't to focus on viewers anyway, if someone drops by, drop them a hello!. Have a go at streaming, don't worry about viewers, do what you're comfortable with and what you find fun and enjoy yourself :D.
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06-13-2015, 05:11 AMKyuuen
I would read this over a few times though, just to cover yourself.
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...5382&tag=authc
I was considering doing the same, but somethings just bother me about this. Music is part of the charm and personality of the streamer and channel, not being able to provide an extra bit of entertainment kinda killed it for me.
Unless I'm just derping hard, and misinterpreting it. -
06-13-2015, 05:36 AMAntaniasIt isn't uncommon for many twitch streamers to have non-FF music playing in the background while they stream ff14 due to a !songrequest feature, so I think you would be ok in that department. Now if you uploaded ff14 footage without using the original music to YouTube or other places, then I think you would have a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyuuen
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06-13-2015, 05:40 AMKyuuenGot ya, so it's just recorded video. I was teh derpin' and misinterpretin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antanias
Thanks for the clarification. ^^ -
06-13-2015, 05:51 AMsilverhopeSorry you feel like I was being mean, I was kinda confused on what the OP wanted to do so I covered all my bases. also being truthful about the no video/no music. Maybe get a mic atleast and chat with viewers its always a better time being able to communicate with people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onikimaru
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06-13-2015, 05:57 AM-DMR-
...anyway, I'm planning sometime between 7-9pm GMT weeknights, late afternoon/evening at weekends.
I'd prefer the music and sound intact, because I like the music in particular and I don't want my voice ruining whats on there. -
06-13-2015, 06:10 AMNoshpan
You don't need a camera to do a live broadcast on Twitch (and if anyone tells you otherwise, you tell them to go suck an elf). There are plenty of broadcasters on Twitch who do not use a cam, for one reason or another, and they do just fine. You don't need a super heavy PC, or even dual-cast (using two PCs to broadcast, one is your "broadcasting rig" & the other is your "gaming rig"), though don't expect to be able to broadcast at 1080p/60 fps (the majority of Twitch viewers can't even watch a stream at that rate anyway). Not that you'll be able to broadcast at that setting anyway if you're not partnered. I do recommend to at least get a cheap mic until you can afford a better one. Just be yourself and keep talking, even if you have zero viewers (or they're all lurkers).
Do note that should you play music that you don't have permission to play, your VOD will be muted for the duration of the song(s). (This includes if you're playing MLB 15 and you play the music available in the game. Your VOD will be muted.) And if you decide to play non-in game music, I recommend Popskyy, FamilyJules7x & Danny Baranowsky. Danny has explicitly stated that anyone playing his music on their broadcasts shouldn't have their VODs muted, but it won't hurt to ask all three for permission before-hand. -
06-13-2015, 08:37 AMIlitsa
I stream FFXIV via my ps4 quite often (static coil runs, dungeon runs etc) with absolutely no voice or camera with it. It's just purely game, and I have done quite well, sure I'm not in the hundreds of subs and thousands of views but it's a pretty comfortable number for a small private streaming type thing
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06-13-2015, 09:19 AMSelli
Keep in mind, OP, if you chose to stream, that you should check your internet as well. I think you're supposed to have 20MBps+ to stream? I personally run on 2MBps down and 1MBps up, so I could never stream and when I do upload to YouTube it takes me easily 1-3 days.
(Don't ask me how I managed to do Final Coil or Second Coil Savage, 'cause I honestly have no idea, LOL) -
06-13-2015, 09:32 AMTuleThis is true if they are streaming for themselves. But ffxiv has a small viewership on twitch as is. If they don't plan to interact with the viewers I don't see them getting any. So there's no point. But if it's just for themselves or friends it's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onikimaru
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06-13-2015, 10:20 AMLexiaThat pretty much any MMO in general regardless of mic or cam MMO are just not that entertaining to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhope
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06-13-2015, 10:51 AMKyuuenDepends on the personality of the streamer, and the content of the MMO being covered. MMO streamers usually find bigger audiences in PvP or races to clear new content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexia
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06-13-2015, 01:31 PMKisaiTenshi
I have a more overly complicated system for Twitch that I'm still working out the bugs from but:
Option A: Single system
Requires a much more powerful PC, roughly 25% more powerful than playing without streaming. So if you want 60fps, you need the 500$ video card.
- OBS works with FFXIV without problems, albeit it's a bit complicated to setup.
- Requires a 5Mbit uplink minimal. Maximum stream is 1920x1080x30fps or 1280x720x60 at 3500Kbps
- Turn off or pause all auto-updating cruft like windows update, antivirus
Option B: Dedicated hardware encoder (for use with PS4)
Currently the only available option is this: http://gamerzone.avermedia.com/game_...e_capture_hd_2
- Usually does not allow for video overlays, just audio.
Option C: Two device setup
- You play from one computer or PS4, and a second machine does the video composition, encoding and streaming. This is how most twitch channels work. The Video encoding machine usually leverages Intel Quicksync on windows so any second generation or better intel i5 or i7 can be used.
- Requires a highend CPU machine for encoding. Can also use a mid/high-end GPU for encoding.
- This allows the most flexibility for input sources, but... see later.
Option D: Three or four device setup.
- You play on the first device (be it PC or PS4), If playing from the PC, you use OBS to stream a high bitrate to the second machine, where it composites the video and audio, and a third machine actually does the encoding and streaming. If playing from a PS4, you use a dedicated HDMI capture card on the second machine.
- This setup is very expensive, and not generally worth the trouble unless you play with multiple consoles AND a PC during the stream. This allows compositing machine to switch inputs without having to stop and start the stream.
My setup is a three-device setup, but that's to leverage all the available hardware so that the encoding machine can also record the high bitrate stream to disk. A single machine can only encode one bit rate since it can only use one hardware-assisted encoder at a time.
The question people often overlook when setting up any kind of streaming is if it's worth the trouble.
1) Are you entertaining? If No. Stop now so you won't depress yourself with the results.
2) Are you able to keep a schedule? If No, stop now. Subscribers will tune in to engage in real time. See Youtube for non-live video streams.
3) Are you exceptionally good? If YES. Stop now. Nobody likes a show off.
I repeat, nobody cares to watch someone effortlessly faceroll over content. That is boring.
4) Are you in it for the money? If YES. Stop now. Twitch only shows the top 100 results, unless you have deep social media reach elsewhere (tumblr, twitter, facebook) you are facing an uphill battle against established streamers for the same game.
Overall the top streamers are people who are both entertaining and able to keep a schedule of sorts. Their abilities are all over the place. Video streams are not very profitable at all.
http://danielfenner.com/how-much-doe...-january-2015/
Notice that the majority of that came from "tips" eg people who just threw money at him.Quote:
Income
Here’s what everyone really wants to see, I guess. Most of these numbers are estimates, because sites tend to calculate pay outs months later but they should be close to accurate.
Tips: $716.88
Twitch Subs: $212.50
Twitch Ad Revenue: $61.92
Casting with Basetrade: $44
YouTube Ad Revenue: $12.49
Total: $1048
Each subscriber was worth about 50 cents. If you want to make a job out of this you need 15,000 subs minimum. -
06-13-2015, 01:49 PMLexiaWow your post is depressing great way to shoot down other people, only thing I agree in the post is if they are just doing it for the money then yes they are doing it for the wrong reasons. As for you #3 spot I don't want to watch someone that is clueless either. Also from what I hear is speedrunning seems to be pretty big thing also which would fall to #3 as they need to know what they doing to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
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06-13-2015, 01:52 PMKisaiTenshiQuote:
Originally Posted by Antanias
The intent behind that policy is the same intent behind trademark infringement. Certain tracks (like the FF overture, The 9-note Battle-win melody) are specific to final fantasy, and anything else using it (outside of a parody) would intentionally be trying say they are related to the franchise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyuuen
The reverse of that situation is removing the music from the game and replacing it with other tracks that to insinuate a relationship that isn't there. For the most part, this is a problem on Youtube because the ContentID matches things as short as one sound effect (like Mario Jumping.) So in the case of Twitch, playing that one mario sound effect may mute the channel for half an hour. Thus making the stream completely useless.
So if you want to be safe, you don't replace the in-game music. Also of note:
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You may not materially alter or modify the Materials, except:
You may add your own voice-over, and you may edit, combine, mash-up, mix and match the Materials with other FFXIV Materials;
So the policy itself is a bit self-conflicting. Yes you can use the music, but only how it's used in the game, and can't be used separated from the game. You can't use "Answers" or "Dragonsong" which means you can not stream FCoB T13 with the music on.Quote:
Guidelines for Music and Sounds
You may only use music as it is incorporated in FFXIV;
When showing gameplay, you may not replace the FFXIV music with third party music;
You may not play FFXIV music alone (i.e., without accompanying gameplay footage), or with third party materials;
You may not use the songs titled "Answers" or "Dragonsong."
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06-13-2015, 02:09 PMKisaiTenshiI wanted to make a distinction between "I can produce a lot of effortless stuff" and "I actually know how to do this challenging thing very well"Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexia
Like streaming the Raids in the game, in itself can be entertaining, regardless of how good or bad you are at it. A better way to frame it is "is it boring for you? then it's boring for the viewer."
But at the end of the day, if you're trying to make money at streaming, almost nobody does.
To elaborate... even people who produce other content (say webcomics) only maybe 2% of them actually earn enough revenue to do that job full time without any other income source. Another 10% of them earn most of their income through direct crowdfunding or projects. The people who make the most amount of money also fall squarely on one or the other side of certain social agendas (see gamergate.) And having cameras invites the trolls to try and destroy them on stream.
So there are issues with "live" streaming. Some of it is safety, some of it is legal.