I'm a few steps closer to figuring out how Jobs scale damage at the baseline, but I need a lot more data to make conclusive statements and at the same time, I want the bulk of the work completed before HW's release in exactly 1 week.
What I'd absolutely love is if in peoples free time, they could parse some data for me and post it over in this thread. I'll be updating this thread when I need data with a different baseline.
Here's the info.
Jobs needed:
Monk
Warrior
Paladin
Stats:
WD: Exactly 51
Determination: Exactly 224
Strength: Varying. Low/High Strength data is great.
Potency of skills parsed: 150
NO buffs, NO stances.
Format:
Job:
WD:
AA_DMG:
Strength:
Action Minimum Damage:
Action Maximum Damage:
AA Minimum Damage:
AA Maximum Damage:
Before posting, you must ensure that your parsed data has reached absolute min/max values. Divide the Max by the Minimum, and the closer your number is to 1.052, the more accurate the data is. You won't be always get exactly 1.0152 due to rounding errors in game, sadly. It takes a good 8-10 minutes to reach those values. Any data will help speed this process up for me a lot. You don't need to spend hours and hours recording spreadsheets worth of numbers, just 10 minutes for one parsed log will do.
Job Coefficient Data Collection
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06-12-2015, 09:03 PMDervyJob Coefficient Data Collection
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06-12-2015, 11:47 PMViridianaI was half way through yelling "I wish!" when I realized we were only talking 150 potency skills. >_>Quote:
Originally Posted by Dervy
I'll see what I can get you for WAR. I don't have the 110 weapon for the other two.
Edit:
I assume you don't care about crit damage at all?
Job: WAR
WD: 51
AA_DMG: 57.12
Strength: 355 (don't laugh, I only leveled it for the relic >_> )
Action Minimum Damage: 160
Action Maximum Damage: 177
AA Minimum Damage: 120
AA Maximum Damage: 133 -
06-13-2015, 12:33 AMStouterTaruThat number should be closer to 1.1, actual damage is +/-5% from average damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dervy
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06-13-2015, 12:34 AMDervy
That's cool. Lower is better. I've started on paladin now as well.
Here's something you can laugh about. I just finished off 577-319 in 5-10 increments on both Ninja and Dragoon. Switches to a Bard and only just realised the lowest possible DET I can get is 227, lmao.
Also, I dont believe there is an external coefficient. The Dragoon deals more damage due to a slightly higher STR slope (0.004 difference), but the Ninjas base damage is MUCH higher (2.2 difference). This base value is attributed to the combination of a base damage value, WD and DET.
IF the JP AA test is accurate, where determination scales equally between all 3 jobs, the only difference then is the WD coefficient and/or the base damage value. This is getting really interesting. -
06-13-2015, 12:34 AMViridiana5% is 1/20. 21/20 divided by 19/20 is 21/19=1.10526. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by StouterTaru
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06-13-2015, 12:37 AMStouterTaruWhich is closer to 1.1 than 1.052...Quote:
Originally Posted by Viridiana
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06-13-2015, 12:38 AMViridianaFair. Just realized Dervy's missing a 1 after the decimal. Silly Dervy.Quote:
Originally Posted by StouterTaru
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06-13-2015, 12:41 AMDervyQuote:
Originally Posted by Viridiana
Thanks for noticing that mistake. Yah, it's 1.1052. Silly me. All these numbers getting to my head, lmao. I did it yesterday as well with my AA model I gave to Pandabearcat. Gave him 0.003 instead of 0.03 and he was wondering why AA damage was in the 90s, lmfao.Quote:
Originally Posted by StouterTaru
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06-13-2015, 01:57 AMAyaLiz
3 ST runs later I finally got my hands on a UAT so I can get some warrior data. Glanzfaust and burtgang both have too much det on them so can't get 224 det data with those, good luck finding someone sitting on a novus with no det for one of those jobs.
From 15 minutes or so of hitting a dummy:
Job: Warrior
WD: 51
AA_DMG: 57.12
Strength: 602
Action Minimum Damage: 256
Action Maximum Damage: 283
AA Minimum Damage: 191
AA Maximum Damage: 212
I can go get some more data at less strength if you'd like, the only det I had on my gear is a gryphonskin ring I melded 8 det into for this so I could just unequip some of the other gear to lose strength. -
06-13-2015, 02:10 AMDervy
602 is perfect. My warrior can't even reach 550 STR lol. Higher the better!
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06-13-2015, 02:32 AMAyaLiz
Turns out I could have just eaten raptor stew to get the 8 det so I can equip both an i130 and an i120 ironworks ring, also found someone willing to sit here for 15 minutes and give me strength party buff, this is about as high as it's gonna get unless I fantasia to highlander.
Job: Warrior
WD: 51
AA_DMG: 57.12
Strength: 632
Action Minimum Damage: 267
Action Maximum Damage: 296
AA Minimum Damage: 200
AA Maximum Damage: 221 -
06-13-2015, 02:42 AMViridianaShiva weapons would also work, it looks like. Unfortunately the only Shiva weapon I have is BLM. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by AyaLiz
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06-13-2015, 02:46 AMAyaLizOh yeah, those are a thing, I have all except for the bow but they're all upgraded to i115 already. Maybe I'll go monk some duty finder shiva and hope for the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viridiana
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06-13-2015, 03:00 AMDervy
Yup. Which is why I set it as 51 WD, aka i110 Sold Weapons. The maximum Determination on all of those weapons is 22, so it's easy for me to get an equal Determination value. On top of this, a Bards i130 IW bow has 51 WD, which allows me to make comparisons between all Physical Jobs.
Unfortunately, this bow has 3 more DET than the Sold Weapons... So I'll have to run a separate test later vs a Dragoon and Ninja, as the Bards damage value sits in between these two.
I don't know how I should do it for DoMs though... -
06-13-2015, 03:05 AMViridianailvl 46 weapons are 51 MDamage, if HQ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dervy
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06-13-2015, 04:58 AMHustensaft
Still going with the total awesomeness of the Naked-no stat points allocated base Damage Graph: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...C2JdLCxibKYMEU
If job-coefficients would exist, this graph shouldn't exist. -
06-13-2015, 08:01 AMDervy
I don't believe there are Job coefficients, it doesn't fit my data either. However, there has to be an explanation why jobs hit for varying damage values at an equal baseline; this difference is more observable at higher Strength, yet damage values begin to overlap the closer I get to base strength... I assume this will be the case when I next do a test against WD.
EDIT:
For reference, as I have the most datapoints so far with a Dragoon and Ninja, here's how they both compare at 51 WD, 224 DET, varying STR:
http://puu.sh/imUuj/b8a1350afa.png
Dragoon Expected = My Dragoon damage Model, very close to my parsed damage. So I'm positive my model for damage somewhat "correct".
This is what I mean. The damage at far end, 577 str for both, has a difference of 2 damage on the baseline at 100 potency adjusted. But at 310 Strength, there's a difference of 0.6667 at 100 potency adjusted.
What you're seeing is most probably all jobs dealing varying damage between 0.1-0.4 damage as you're working with such low damage values, but you're susceptible to rounding errors, so your parsed data just stacks all jobs together in the same damage bracket giving you a graph similar to what you have.
Once I've got Paladin and Warrior done and plotted them on that same graph to draw some comparisons, I'm gunna work with WD and see if I get a similar graph.
Personally, I think all jobs scale Weapon Damage differently. My current theory is all stats listed on the Character Panel page mechanically works and scales similarly between all jobs. Critical Hit Rating, Parry, Skill/Spellspeed, Vitality, the formula is the same for all jobs. The only outlying factor then is Weapon Damage which isn't listed and a base damage value which I labelled as value "C" in my model.
(WD*A+1)*(STR*B+C)*(DET*D+1)
EDIT 2:
This is what it looks like now with Paladin and Warrior data plotted on the same graph. Again, exact same stats:
http://puu.sh/inriX/997adc14bd.png