You know... I've been playing this game on again and off again since relaunch.
I didn't really complain about buying this game again for my ps4, I can at least kind of understand needing to buy the client for the ps4 and all that... but seriously, we have to buy the EXPANSION for each platform we play on?
This seems incredibly anti-consumer, I've already paid $100 for the base game and really was ready to fork over another $60 for the collector's edition of the expansion... but I have to pay $100 for the expansion to play it on PC and PS4? $200 and a monthly sub for the full game with collector's editions and expansions seems like a lot, even for the convenience of playing cross-platform; I'd be a lot more forgiving of that if it was a buy to play...
I'm honestly really on the fence about continuing to support this game, it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
Heavensward PC / PS4 access
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06-11-2015, 10:59 PMBakimonoHeavensward PC / PS4 access
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06-11-2015, 11:06 PMamanda
You only need one of the expansion to be collecters edition not for eatch platform unless you made 2 seprit accounts
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06-11-2015, 11:08 PMBakimono
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-Do I need to purchase FINAL FANTASY XIV: Heavensward for each of the platforms that I currently play A Realm Reborn on?
Global: Yes. You will need to purchase and register a copy for each of the platforms that you would like to play on. For example: You play FFXIV: ARR on PC and PS4 and wish to play the expansion on both of those platforms, then you would need to purchase FFXIV: Heavensward on both PC and PS4."
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rs-bonuses-etc. -
06-11-2015, 11:12 PMThandronen
No one is forcing you to play it on different platforms... this is more of a want and not a need. Either choose one or the other or fork over the extra money. Most folks I know that do play on different platforms pay the launch price to buy it on the platform they play the most on right away, then wait until it becomes cheaper later to purchase it for the secondary platform.
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06-11-2015, 11:15 PMraela
PC codes often go for less than sub price.. I main ps4 and picked up my PC code for $10 (so was like a $2 discount on my sub that month). I preordered heavensward for ps4 and may pick it up for ps4 later if it goes on sale. Then again, playing on my laptop is pure misery, so I mainly just use it for very easy stuff when traveling.
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06-11-2015, 11:16 PMPylfer
Licensing man. Just because SE own the game doesn't mean they can just walk into any platform providers office and say "My game is now on your platform, deal with it and support it no matter what I do or say". They have to go through the ordeal of working out all the licensing agreements for literally every platform; Sony (PS3, PS4), Microsoft to some degree (Windows), Apple to some degree (Mac), Valve (Steam), and whatever other platform they release it on. As such, every platform/company is going to want their own cut of the profits. The same goes for the release of expansion packs.
I've paid for the CE original game, 1 1/2 years of subscription time, and the CE of the expo for my PS4, and I would pay it again it I had to switch to another platform. Nothing is free, and trust me, it's not anti-consumer.
Would you expect to buy The Witcher III for PS4 and then expect Projekt RED to give you a free copy of the game for the XBone and PC just because you wanted it for those platforms too. Or if they released paid expansions, would you really expect them to say "oh you bought it on the PS4, have it on the Xbone and PC for free as well". No, I highly doubt it. -
06-11-2015, 11:16 PMBakimonoNo one is forcing anything, and the ones that pay twice do so because they don't have another choice. Because some will accept it doesn't make it any less of a bad business practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thandronen
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06-11-2015, 11:20 PMBakimonoYour argument would be more valid if the platforms weren't concurrent on the same servers accessing the same account, same characters and same content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pylfer
I can't turn off my PC playing witcher 3 and pick up playing my character on PS4, but I very much can on FFARR.
The platform licensing I do understand, but again it's still using the same base client.
Also, they could very easily offer a discount for the expansion if you already have an active copy on your account to cover additional licensing fees rather than charging full price; unless you honestly think 100% of the client price is the licensing fees. -
06-11-2015, 11:59 PMDgsoilYou still don't have to buy CE for BOTH platforms though. You only need one CE for either, and a standard for the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakimono
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06-12-2015, 12:16 AMMiniTofu
This should be a question to Sony license policy... not SE...
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06-12-2015, 12:23 AMLexiaWhy Sony? If you play on PS4 and then want to play it on PC you still have to buy the PC version which has nothing to do with Sony.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiniTofu
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06-12-2015, 12:48 AMThandronenThis right here. It's no different than buying any other game on multiple platforms. Get over it and pay or don't and buy it on the system you will mainly be playing on. There's no 'bad business practice' here, each platform has to get paid (and justifiably so).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pylfer
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06-12-2015, 12:53 AMKetsuyame
Ah, entitlement at its finest. Basically when Black Ops III comes out, I better start a forum about how I bought it on the ps4 and Treyarch/Acitivision didn't give me a copy to play on my Xbox ONE. Horrible Business practice./s
Narcissism and first world issues are the bane of this community. -
06-12-2015, 01:47 AMBakimonoPointing out it's crappy to buy the same content to access the same account on the same server repeatedly with no additions, no perks, no benefit other than accessing it through a different portal is TOTALLY the same thing as getting two copies of a game on seperate servers accessing different assets and different communities entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketsuyame
It's all good though, I expected every fanboy in the forum to tell me how stupid I was being and immediately resort to adhoms over it. Don't worry though because you've sucessfully convinced me that this game's community isn't worth my time anyways; Hopefully the staff sees the feedback and takes note of where they lose customers. -
06-12-2015, 02:17 AMJayCommonIf you quit a video game because of peer criticism over a point of view they don't agree with, then MMO's probably aren't up your alley anyway. Characterizing an entire playerbase off of a handful of disagreeing responses is pretty childish, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakimono
I'd hate to see what you would do if a Titan Landslide clipped you and the rest of your group called you bad. Actually, I might enjoy it.
The door: There isn't anyone at it waiting to stop you. -
06-12-2015, 03:56 AMBakimonoI don't really care at all what the forum community says; What's pushing me out the door is the additional charges for accessing the exact same content not what people have said on the forum. Also, I don't characterize the entire playerbase for the forum minority; I've discussed this among friends but the devs have next to zero chance to notice feedback not in any of the more official channels. I think you're misunderstanding where my frustration is coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayCommon
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06-12-2015, 04:14 AMThandronenI'm certain the community will be glad that this encounter was but a brief one.Quote:
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06-12-2015, 04:22 AMSeig345
The problem with the PS4 -> PC example is Steam. Sure, people can buy the normal PC version to get around Steam, but there's inevitably been people who started on PS4 and then bought the PC version via Steam. If the PS4 version auto-enabled you to play on PC for free, that would make purchasing the game on Steam at all completely pointless. Was releasing the game on Steam a good business practice? No clue, but that's a different topic altogether. As it stands, it's already been done.
That first response is also still correct. While you do need to buy the game and expansion for each platform you want to play it on, you only need to buy/register the CE version once to access the CE items regardless of which platform you log in on. (I purchased the standard version of ARR for PS3 and still had all my 1.0/2.0 CE items/mounts/etc) -
06-12-2015, 04:27 AMJayCommonQuote:
Originally Posted by Bakimono
Not sure how I could have done that...
You characterized an entire forum based off of a few responses. No, I guess you didn't characterize the entire playerbase per se but....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakimono
One person's thought seemed to be enough to tip you over the edge here. This small thread has you successfully convinced that the entire game isn't worth playing? I don't know Ketsuyame or anything but if I had one voice to represent the entire game's playerbase, well, I think I might choose differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakimono
So, SE needs to get rid of Ketsuyame so they can stop losing customers? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakimono
I only misunderstood you, if you misunderstood yourself when you wrote that. Hell, I don't even disagree with you. It would be nice if there was some kind of discount at least. But ultimately I did mean what I said, you acknowledged buying ARR separately for console and PC. The precedence was there. It isn't making you do anything you haven't already done in the past. The fact that you knew it was like this and expected something different is insane. Literally, that is the definition of insanity.
Just wait for one of them to drop in price if it's really that big of a deal, but misplaced judgments aside I promise you there isn't a "official channel" anywhere on the webs big enough to get SE to change their pricing strategy 12 days before release. -
06-12-2015, 10:46 AMBakimono
"You characterized an entire forum based off of a few responses. No, I guess you didn't characterize the entire playerbase per se but...."
every fanboy on the forum =/= the entire forum either, fyi, but specifically the fanboys who will insist S/E can do no wrong.
"One person's thought seemed to be enough to tip you over the edge here. This small thread has you successfully convinced that the entire game isn't worth playing?"
The game is not worth playing? No, just that the community (moreso focused on the forum, since that's where we are) isn't worth bothering with.
"So, SE needs to get rid of Ketsuyame so they can stop losing customers? "
No, SE needs to consider how they are charging full price for expansions repeatedly across platforms and how that influences the opinons of their playerbase. -
06-12-2015, 10:50 AMBakimono
"But ultimately I did mean what I said, you acknowledged buying ARR separately for console and PC. The precedence was there. It isn't making you do anything you haven't already done in the past. The fact that you knew it was like this and expected something different is insane. Literally, that is the definition of insanity."
Mmm, not entirely. For example, if you purchase the CE for PC and the standard edition for the PS4 you still have access to your CE bonuses on the PS4 because it's an upgrade to the account; which, logically, an expansion seems to be.
Also, it's not literally the definition of insanity, it's literally a quote from Albert Einstien that was also quoted repeatedly in Farcry. Not saying I disagree with it being insanity, just saying. -
06-12-2015, 12:43 PMSylveUhh... Nice self contradiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakimono
People who pay twice do so because they want the luxury of playing the same account on two entirely different platforms.
The system is built for people to pick their platform and roll with it. Just because you want to play it on your laptop while out and about while also using your PS4 at home does not mean SE should simply give it to you out of the kindness of their heart.
You're also failing to understand the sheer development effort that goes into porting a game from one platform to another.
Ever wondered why PC ports are often horrible broken messes compared to their original PS/Xbox versions? Or for that matter why it often takes an entire Development Studio to make said port?
Thats time and money SE sank into making it crossplatform, its entirely normal for the company to charge separately for that.
If i could use a PC code to play on PS4, i could pick up the game for half the cost of the PS4 version and play it on PS4 exclusively anyway.
A quick google shows that Steam has ARR for $19.99 while the PS4 version is $47.95. Digital CE on Steam is $39.95 while the PS4 Digital CE is $69.95.
Now who in their right mind would pay the PS4 prices when they could get the PC code for nearly 50% off and have it work on their PS4 anyway?
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06-12-2015, 01:20 PMSeig345To add onto that; no one would, and then that would mean Sony would be allowing for FFXIV to be downloaded through and played through their PSN (for free), with no PS+ required, out of the kindness of their hearts. Given that they're already allowing for FFXIV to not require PS+ to access it, it seems a bit much to also expect them to not want a cut of a game they've licensed for play on their own platform, along with any content warranting a separate sale, which would be the case if everyone was buying the PC version for their PS4 access.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylve