Would like more opinions on this. (Dragoon Rotation)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/67805...eborn/71917881

In that thread, the topic creator argues that outside of content where every single point of DPS will make or break a run, it could be more beneficial to use a slightly suboptimal rotation.

He posits that running through your 8 skills ad infinitum is 60 less potency per minute than the standard rotation. However, at the cost of that 60 ppm, you give yourself more leeway as far as CT and Phb uptime goes. It is also easier to keep track of, allowing you to concentrate more on mechanics while still executing your rotation. Finally, there pretty much doesn't exist a fight where you will be able to maintain 100% uptime on CT, Phb, Dis, and HT. While the standard rotation is good on training dummies, his modified rotation could be seen as more practical.

What are your opinions on this? Please try to see past the manner in which he responds to others, because I think he might have a solid point.

I saw this post too. My first reaction was just "NO NO NO BAD BAD BAD", but I really couldn't point to any TRULY legitimate reason not to use the dumbed down rotation. That being said, part of what makes the dragoon job appealing/fun in my eyes is the "complexity" of the rotation, and dumbing it down to this extent significantly detracts from the fun factor/challenge, whether you're trying to maximize DPS or not.

Title of the linked topic: There's almost no point to using an optimal rotation unless you're raiding.

I can't even bring myself to read the rest, sorry.

Except it ends up being a lot bigger of a hit because you'll be overwriting buffed Chaos Thrusts with unbuffed. Changing that 60 potency loss to 102 potency lost.

After a round of napkin math, my dummy DPS dropped by ~6.5% thanks to the simple rotation. Quite a bit higher than what the OP stated.

And this is why you don't read GameFAQs.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

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But even old school newspapers had the comic strip section!

If the op of that post even remotely thought it was viable he would have brought the idea up in the, Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn thread. Hes just lazy and attempts to use bad math to justify his position.

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Well, not for an MMO. For FFT, FFX, FFXII, SO2, SO3, Disgaea. . .all good guides. :p

Hey I happen to have written an award winning guide on gamefaqs =o

If I'm to understand the link, it basically says to do CT > FT > CT > FT

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Originally Posted by pushin_tin

What are your opinions on this? Please try to see past the manner in which he responds to others, because I think he might have a solid point.

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My opinion? You're taking already the easiest melee class, with a very simple rotation, and dumbing it down for no gain. I'd argue it's not even easier, you have a whole lot of time to be able to tell if you're going to do a 123 or a 456 next rotation if it's not somehow muscle memory after a few minutes of practicing it, and it's not like pressing one combination is any harder than the other.

We've been playing with level 50 rotation DRG for nearing on 2 years now. I would expect at this time people would be advocating smarter, more efficient ways of attacking, like the "How to train your DRG" guide which nitpicks on how to get better rather than focus on making this class dumber.

Topics like that give anyone who doesn't like try-harding an even worse reputation than they have.

I feel like this really depends on how much you want to talk about the whole "almost no point to..." part of his post. With final coil now having a 15% echo buff and people being able to over gear almost every piece of content in the game there really isn't any need maximize dps for anything right now. So when you compare his rotation to how the game is right now I feel like you can get by with what he's doing.

In regards to what he's saying, his main argument is his "math" and his math doesn't consider dot clipping or proper cooldown usage. And there's a lot to be said about proper cooldown usage with a dragoon since a very large portion of your damage comes from your jumps and your buffs. So before I run anything and compare numbers I'd say his "less than 1%" is probably a lot closer to 5% and possibly even higher depending on if he's using cooldowns and how he's using them.

Anyway, hope that helps. I had a lot more typed out but...character limit.

Considering that many players are still doing pretty badly even with 15% echo, I wouldn't want to promote a lazier method by which they can continue not to improve.

I think it's antithetical to being a good player. Even running dungeons you should practice the proper rotation, there's always a good mix of dealing with positionals, dodging aoe, target switching, while maintaining the rotation. IMO even dealing with those things on a small scale lets you become more adept at the job in general. And really there's no reason not to, dungeons are perfect low-pressure situations to practice and experiment with different things.

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Originally Posted by SwarleyMcSwarls

there really isn't any need maximize dps for anything right now.

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There's a difference between "maximizing DPS" and just not caring at all. Doing your job's basic rotation is the bare minimum for a DPS class.

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Originally Posted by SwarleyMcSwarls

I feel like this really depends on how much you want to talk about the whole "almost no point to..." part of his post. With final coil now having a 15% echo buff and people being able to over gear almost every piece of content in the game there really isn't any need maximize dps for anything right now. So when you compare his rotation to how the game is right now I feel like you can get by with what he's doing.

Anyway, hope that helps. I had a lot more typed out but...character limit.

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Saving time and lowering the chances for a wipe by making a fight shorter or skipping mechanics (e.g. 3rd Shadow in T13) seem like good reasons.

Btw, you can edit your post to bypass the character limit.

almost all top end raiders of any MMO will mention something about muscle memory at some point if you ask them about how they do good dps in any given situation, using a dumbed down version of a rotation at all, will make you lose some of that muscle memory, and worse still, replace it will a dumbed down version, which means when you do try for that optimal dps you need, you end up loosing dps even further.

my advice: everyone should use their optimal rotations regardless of the content on hand, be it a fate, savage coil, or world of darkness, etc.
this goes for more than just dragoon to.

I don´t remember when was last time I play with a decent drg in DF,PF and World of the hopeless/CT/ST.