PALADIN TANK HELP, PLEASE

Hello!

I am a lvl 50 Paladin ilvl 120 and I am having tons of issue lately keeping aggro,
I know my rotations well and use them as they are appropriate
Dungeons(groups)

Shield Lob
Flash
CoS
Flash
then RoH cycling through the enemies

Bosses
Sheild lob
Spirits Within
CoS
RoH

I have been noticing, with the Shiva fight in particular, that even if i do multiple RoH combos I end up losing Enimity very quickly to the dps and occasionally healers. Any idea what im doing wrong? Thank you

Usually its a gearing issue, but if you are ilvl 120 you shouldn't have any issues. I'm only at 113 and very rarely have issues even against higher ilvl players. Are you using shield oath?

Looking at your gear, it might be your weapon, you may need to get that higher in ilvl. Oh and maybe get some strength accessories, it helps.

It's your weapon.

Also, if you're not already, pre-pop Fight or Flight on bosses before you pull.

i90 wep (Atma is only i100 in ilvl, the stats are of an i90 wep) won't hold hate against i130 weps, especially with full fending accessories.

Can't help with out more info like your gear il 120 is too vague are you using full fending gear on you right side what weapon are you using are all your bonus stat points put all into fending?

Grab a soldiery 110 weapon or a poetics 130
You will notice a huge difference but can still work on relic On the side

And yes pre cos/flash popping fof increases them
Don't know how comfortable you are with everything you have to tank but I have full 30/30 str points on both my PLD and WAR

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Originally Posted by krazyrs

Grab a soldiery 110 weapon or a poetics 130
You will notice a huge difference but can still work on relic On the side

And yes pre cos/flash popping fof increases them
Don't know how comfortable you are with everything you have to tank but I have full 30/30 str points on both my PLD and WAR

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There's a 110 weapon for soldiery? I've only seen the Weathered Noct Hoplon and nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Kuurei

There's a 110 weapon for soldiery? I've only seen the Weathered Noct Hoplon and nothing else.

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IT's the vendor on the left, it takes a tomestone which drops from Syrcus Tower (or SCOB), plus a sands, which also drops there (or SCOB), and 7 Rowena's Soldiery Tokens at 130 soldiery each.

What the poster above me said. Fight or flight shoud be used in openers as well. Usually I throw shield lob, fof, cos, then roh, with spirits within thrown in as an opener for shiva. Only time I have ever had any issue was with a dread warrior who burned allmhis cooldowns just to troll. For accessoiers on shiva I'm using three hq 110 slay/fend with the opposit materia melded in and two 130 fending. I swap out the fend acc for 130 slaying where it allows.

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Originally Posted by Steady

IT's the vendor on the left, it takes a tomestone which drops from Syrcus Tower (or SCOB), plus a sands, which also drops there (or SCOB), and 7 Rowena's Soldiery Tokens at 130 soldiery each.

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Ah, so that's what these unidentified nonsenses are for.

Weapons are important, yes. You can also get decent weapons from Shiva and Leviathan.

As a new tank, I'd like to pick the brains of people more experienced than I -- I noticed he does Flash, CoS, then Flash again, followed by RoH cycling.

Why does he do Flash again after the CoS? Is it better to do RoH --> Flash ---> RoH ---> Flash cycling once the fight starts going underway, and Provoke + Shield Lob if aggro is lost?

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Originally Posted by Syfer22

Why does he do Flash again after the CoS? Is it better to do RoH --> Flash ---> RoH ---> Flash cycling once the fight starts going underway, and Provoke + Shield Lob if aggro is lost?

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Can tell you what I do:

Shield Lob -> CoS -> Flash -> FB -> Flash -> SB -> Flash -> RoH, then alternate RoH.

This is on big pulls though, on smaller ones you'll only need 2 Flashes. Obviously if you have a lot of mobs and a lot of AOE going on, you'll want to do more than just 3 Flashes. RB on mobs that are left over at the end of all the madness, and move on to the next pull.

I don't know if you or the OP mean using raw RoH, in which case don't do that. Flash and CoS are enough to hold AOE aggro, doing the RoH combo is for damage and single target enmity generation if needed.

Also to answer your question more directly: you want to have CoS ticking/on CD ASAP so you should use that before you actually Flash. Typically I pull more than one pack of mobs, so my rotation generally doesn't start with Shield Lob but rather CoS -> Flash. From then on you have to decide what you need more of: AOE enmity or damage on single targets. If you need more AOE enmity, you'll want to Flash more - but you don't need to Flash every single GCD. You can start your RoH combo and Flash in between the sections of it, giving you both the single target enmity/damage and AOE threat generation.

Interesting... A friend of mine says I need to use Flash more, but I didn't think I'd need to use it as many times as once between every attack. Wouldn't that burn through your MP real quick?

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Originally Posted by Syfer22

Interesting... A friend of mine says I need to use Flash more, but I didn't think I'd need to use it as many times as once between every attack. Wouldn't that burn through your MP real quick?

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Thats what Riot Blade is for.

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Originally Posted by Syfer22

Interesting... A friend of mine says I need to use Flash more, but I didn't think I'd need to use it as many times as once between every attack. Wouldn't that burn through your MP real quick?

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You don't really use your MP for anything else (at least at the moment), and the enmity you generate is there to stay. I generally Flash at least 6-8 times per big pull, though not all at once.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

Thats what Riot Blade is for.

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Yep, I do use Riot Blade. I'll probably have to use it more than RoH if I need to Flash between every attack -- I imagine Shield Oath and CoS makes life easier too.

Flash enmity modifier has been buffed multiple times, CoS went through a boost as well.

Sounds more target cycling needed or just too low ilvl weapon. Cycle quickly -- through multiple mobs between each GCD -- if just to get a peak at each mob's enmity in relation to your DPS/Healer. (Usually relates to their HP% remaining btw)

If you're noticing 2-3 mobs are almost full enmity on DPS while cycling, then switch to Flash. But usually it's just 1 mob who got hit with a Critical'd Flare or you're melee invested all their oGCDs on that is about to peel off.

The wildcard is what ilvl your weapon is compared to your party members. If equal you shouldn't need Flash much more than every 25 seconds (pairing it with CoS).

Grab mob groups with flash, shield lob them as you move to the next pack, at the final pack do the one Flash to grab, SW, Fastblade, <now the other mobs have caught up>, Buff, CoS, Flash, Buff, Savage and start to cycle. Unless I'm about to lose multiple mobs at once I'll not Flash for as long as possible (preferably after Blind wore off or CoS is off CD) This is how I go about it, but I prefer to live on the edge (+100 enmity over your dps members is just the same as having +1 enmity over them).

Flash spam IS ez mode, but don't get too comfortable with it. Once you feel good on your hate management, start working those Flash frequencies down.

Need to upgrade your weapon. Also as you're running to the mob start off with CoS to get the DoT started and to put it on cool down, make sure to have fight or flight up. For single target mobs [like shiva] you don't really need to flash more than twice, if at all. I personally did it when I was weaker but go straight into my main combo now. For groups. Flash a few times to build up that inital hate, more so with blms. Then rotate through your combos and flash.

if im feeling lazy i can control all big trash pulls with cos/flash/riot only
just pop fof when available and a cd here and there lol