SE: Would you consider a melee caster class?

Sounds crazy, I know. But taking note that the first new DPS class was a melee class, Machinist is ranged physical, the trend would dictate that a caster would be the next DPS class introduced sometime later. Why not take the opportunity to mix things up a little and create a unique class in a melee fighter that deals magic damage? Perhaps a "Psychiccer" of sorts, if you will?

I'd envision its skills would perhaps involve direct physical/magic damage, buffs and debuffs, an AoE or two, and some mild support abilities. What do you think?

So....you want a Red Mage?

I know that sounds like a Red Mage, and I DO want that job added. But I more so envisioned a hand to hand fighter, perhaps with some type of focusing gloves as weapons. I'm at work right now and unfortunately can't fully flesh out the idea. But it does sound rather Red Mage-like otherwise.

Time will tell what we get, but the basic idea is no less interesting.

Hell, call it a Red Monk if they like. Lol

Well, currently there's really not a whole lot of difference between someone that deals magic damage and physical damage apart from range and having cast times. If they added a melee dps class with cast times, the first thing I think of is how impossible it would be to hit moving targets. Generally that wouldn't be a problem outside of pvp, I'm really not sure how well that would work though. On the other hand, if they dealt magic damage, and had primarily instant casts, then they wouldn't be a whole lot different than any of the melee dps classes we have now.

I'm not opposed to the idea, and I'm sure they could make it interesting, but unless the type of damage we were dealing mattered more, it wouldn't make a whole lot of difference.

The trouble is, I don't know how this could fit in the current idea of the Armoury System, where there is specific separation between melee classes (Disciples of War), and caster classes (Disciples of Magic). Red Mage is a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none class, it has reasonable attack power which veers into the mediocre eventually with the ability to cast both White and Black Magic, while not excelling in either school of magic.

And because in FFXIV Job skills (i.e. Black and White Magic) are not shared cross-Job, it means Red Mage would not be able to use only get it's own unique skills in addition to a few cross-class spells (presumably from CNJ and THM) which kind of destroys the whole concept of it even being a RDM in the first place.

Hence, I doubt you will ever see RDM in FFXIV for this reason alone (and before you pass judgement, FF Tactics had both BLM and WHM but never had RDM either - at least, not the original FFT anyway.). But may Yoshi prove me wrong though! :D

OP, you want a Dancer ;) \o/

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Originally Posted by Roxas_Andrade

OP, you want a Dancer ;) \o/

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No a Dancer would be more of a melee healer or support class, and even then their attacks would probably be physical.

It sounds to me like the OP wants a slight variant on Geomancer. If you look at how they have been portrayed in the series it could work. They are usually the most sturdy of any mage-type class. They use bells as their main weapon, which could be adjusted to maces or a combination of the two. Their spells have always been instant cast. And they don't rely too heavily on MP. I think SE could work the class into being a deciple of magic that uses a weapon (bells, maces, etc) to cast instant up close magic attacks. It could be similar to Red Mage or Mystic/Rune Knight, but possibly a little different. I know I made a Geomancer concept and made them a Tank class, (link in the bottom if people are interested in looking at it) but I could adjust the concept to fit as a regular DPS as well. I was planning on making adjustments to the mock versions I made once Heavensward was released and I got more info on the new jobs and new abilities.

OP does that sound like what you meant?

That would be Red Mage. I hope they add it eventually, it is a classic FF job :D

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Uh hi. Red Mage is the thing you're after it sounds like! I wrote one up just like everyone and their mother actually, somewhere on the forums(http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...8Concept%21%29 shameless plug). There'd really be no problem making a close range Disciple of Magic class, since they'd generally use the same or similar gear in the first place. Though the one I wrote up is meant to be a very frantic close-to-mid range fighter based on versatility, it falls into a DPS role easily enough, and from what I could do I had no problems wedging it into lore or making it work mechanically. Red Mages even have rapiers as a series-iconic weapon for them.

Honestly to me it seems like they'd be a lot easier to implement than everyone makes it out to be. Summoners work fine without dropping Bahamut on a dungeon boss's face. Don't see why red mages can't just have weak/cross-classed heals like summoner and black mage already do.

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Hence, I doubt you will ever see RDM in FFXIV for this reason alone (and before you pass judgement, FF Tactics had both BLM and WHM but never had RDM either - at least, not the original FFT anyway.). But may Yoshi prove me wrong though! :D

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Yoshi-P is aware that both RDM and BLU (even harder to implement in FFXIV) are VERY popular (if not the MOST requested) and IIRC Yoshi-P also said that he would be adding these jobs to FFXIV for this reason, and I'll be honest these are the 2 jobs I'm looking forward to and have wanted to play in FFXIV since even 1.0 and I'm a bit tired of waiting. The instant Yohsi-P says he isn't or can't implement these 2 jobs or they end up being pathetic representation of versatility as SMN is then I'm done with this game.

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Uh hi. Red Mage is the thing you're after it sounds like! I wrote one up just like everyone and their mother actually, somewhere on the forums(http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...8Concept%21%29 shameless plug). There'd really be no problem making a close range Disciple of Magic class, since they'd generally use the same or similar gear in the first place. Though the one I wrote up is meant to be a very frantic close-to-mid range fighter based on versatility, it falls into a DPS role easily enough, and from what I could do I had no problems wedging it into lore or making it work mechanically. Red Mages even have rapiers as a series-iconic weapon for them.

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Shameless plug indeed, lol. Guess I should join your plug, since I helped a little. I'd plug mine but this is about a DPS RDM, and mine is a tank, so no go, lol.

Red Mage is the obvious choice with Blue Mage being a close second.

They could probably do Runefencer too, although GS is already being used by dark. Outside of the box they could do Geomancer.

When we see Red Mage I have a feeling people are gonna be disappointed though. People enjoyed Red Mage in XI for its utility and solo ability. Both of which are almost non consequential in this game framework. I'd love to see it as a melee DPS though. Would be fun to see them work chainspell as a lvl 60 ability.

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So their a mystic knight?

@Karateorang
I'd personally take BLU, but seeing how we gain our skills currently, I think it would take away from that. That and Blu almost always has some of the most powerful spells in every Final Fantasy...

Isn't the dark knight already an mp based job - okay it's a tank not dps, but still melee

BLU could actually work since you get your abilities after the job quests. Devs could make it so you face a given mob for the explicit purpose of copying its skill. Say, a golem buffing itself with Mighty Guard, a Sylph using White Wind or a Morbol with Bad Breath, that way you get the Lore reason to have the skill. But maybe someone's thought of that already and how it could/couldn't work...

I'd like Red mage, finish up the original Six, Though in retrospect from earlier comments, I wouldn't mind a Mystic Knight as an MP based Melee fighter. Be a pain substituting a weapon in for using swords of some type ((Though I'd be partial to dual wielding swords and having an attack with eight slashes.)) It'd probably be a Disciple of War though, where RDM can fit in as a Disciple of Magic.

RDM and BLU definitely fit the bill, but I doubt they will have cast times except maybe on aoe spells. It will be too hard to hit anything that moves even slightly because your cone of vision is so small.

I'd love it, though. While I like playing "regular" casters, the idea of a melee caster or "battle mage" appeals to me as well as an alternative to regular melees.

I think it sounds weird to most people, but I actually like being limited by cast times, it adds a certain challenge to movement.
Of course, too much is also too much, and I hate BLM as a result. But if they balance it nicely, a melee caster could be a lot of fun.

Here's to hoping for dancer \o/

Red Mage incoming

Blue Mage ftw.