Suggestion: Differnt colors for Sacred Prism (WHM)

So i would have a suggestion for whitemages Sacred Prism in PvP (For those of you who dont know, its the circular area where everyone in your party suffers 40% less physical damage and gets an additional regen effect). The Problem here is that you cant see wich of those was casted by the WHM of your team. Yea, you get a buff that shows you when you stay in the correct one, but we all know how much trouble is going on in a 72 man slaughter game and how much Sacred Prisms are casted at the same time so you never know wich one is actually for you other than running into every Sacred Soil and hope that its the right one.

My suggestion would be, that the Sacred Prism/Soil for your party gets another color (maybe a darker blue or something) so everyone in your team directly knows where the safe area is. I only play WHM in pvp and i have seen it already so many times that my party members do stay outside of Sacred Prism/Soil because they just dont know that this specific one is working for them. I think it could be a great addition.

It's the same issue with Sacred Soil in 24 man instances.

I am sure there will be similar concerns when the WHM AoE is introduced from 3.0 as well. :/ Unsure if they'll actually implement anything though...

In white mage mirror matches its a viable tactic to stagger your own prism over the enemies to try and trick them into staying inside the wrong one after theirs has timed out

I'm not sure about it, i think it's holding the hands of the players a little too much and takes away from the match itself

We have relayed your suggestion to the development team. They'll use your idea as reference when making future adjustments.

Thanks for the suggestion!

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

We have relayed your suggestion to the development team. They'll use your idea as reference when making future adjustments.

Thanks for the suggestion!

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...of all the things wrong with pvp and you reply to this one?

Not the countless amount of threads telling you how to instantly fix queues?

no?

>_>

Calm down Ceve Arthu, don't shoot the messenger. At least they replied to you. Color changing is likely far easier to develop than a fundamental component like the duty finder.

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Originally Posted by CeveArthu

...of all the things wrong with pvp and you reply to this one?

Not the countless amount of threads telling you how to instantly fix queues?

no?

>_>

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They want players to only PvP as part of their GC, at least for now. So yeah, in the meantime they'll address more minor issues obviously.

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

Calm down Ceve Arthu, don't shoot the messenger. At least they replied to you. Color changing is likely far easier to develop than a fundamental component like the duty finder.

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Only the fix isnt changing the duty finder to something new, its changing it to the original version thats used for all non-pvp queues

Its also hilarious that this is the first reply we've had here in almost a year and its about something so minor its barely worth mentioning

Rather than tinting the many ground effects a different color a la mage LB, the most accessible option is to keep friendly ground AoE as-is and trace the perimeter of the enemy ground effects with a thick dotted line.

This assumes the ground effects aren't deliberately ambiguous for a lost-in-the-heat-of-battle experience.

I'll be honest, it is frustrating that this' the first reply we've had on the PVP Board in almost a year... a lot of complaints & numerous, larger threads having gone ignored & still remaining so. Feels hurtful.

Hm, i am sure they do know that there are many more problems with queues and whatnot. But when there is a new thread about that every few days i wouldnt answer all of them aswell i guess.

Thats bad logic, if there was a million threads about one particular problem, they would reply to at least ONE of them instead of this one

Great news, ty dev team.

This may have been mentioned, but you also are not able to see if a SMN, SCH, BRD, or NIN ground effect belongs to your alliance, or to an enemy.

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

We have relayed your suggestion to the development team. They'll use your idea as reference when making future adjustments.

Thanks for the suggestion!

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Can you relay the countless other PvP suggestions made as well?

Duels, numerous queue concerns and suggestions, small quality of life changes like trading old Morale gear in for Wolf Marks. Would be nice to see a reply to at least some of the bigger concerns with PvP, even if it's just to let us know that we're not actually being ignored (which is the impression I have gotten over the past year).

I'm going to laugh if the next response is with regards to adding the %s to the Wolves' Den section of the PvP Profile. Frontlines shows you your %s, though sadly not splitting Slaughter and Secure up, would be nice if Wolves' Den did too. There, I suggested it. Make me laugh.

Seriously though, as far as minor things go, how about addressing the fact that new modes in PvP have seemingly no indication of their existence? I had to be informed that i80 Wolves' Den was even a thing, despite visiting the Pier fairly often, the NPC to unlock it simply did not have any visual indication that I should talk to him to unlock it. Same when it came to Slaughter. That seems like a fairly big issue that should be simple enough to address, hiding these things certainly isn't helping matters. People aren't going to queue for something if they have no idea it exists.

Turn battle effects off for others except party, simple.

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Originally Posted by EZ5902

Turn battle effects off for others except party, simple.

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Now you can't see any enemy aoe, good or bad ones

Was about to say that. It doesnt help at all to turn effects off. And for me as WHM it wouldnt help at all. I do know where my Sacred Prism is, but all others in my group dont know and i doubt that these ppl are turning off their effects just for that.

It's nice to see something responded to, though of course this it would be nice to hear whether SE is concerned at all about the fact that we can't even play the damn game when we want to for all the reasons we've given (GC restriction above all else). Any other game's rollout of a PVP system that had people standing in a virtual line for 45 minutes plus would be deemed a monstrous failure... and many people do perceive Frontlines as a failure for this reason and now avoid it altogether.

Ok so back to Sacred Prism, I am wondering one thing (and no sarcasm intended just yet about the playing style of some teammates until I know the answer for sure)... I feel like I rarely see Sacred Prism being used, the amount of matches in which one shows up seems to be much less than the occurrence of matches in which there is at least one WHM on the team. I do have battle effects set to limited for party members and it's been that way for a long long time but it doesn't prevent things like Shadowflares from showing up. It has me wondering, are a lot of WHM's just not using Sacred Prism? Or is it that with limited effects on, sometimes you see it on the ground and sometimes you don't? If it's invisible perhaps I'm standing in it and mistaking its regen effect for having Medica II or something cast on me.

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

It has me wondering, are a lot of WHM's just not using Sacred Prism?.

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I won't lie, I forget about it a lot in Slaughter. In Secure it was lovely, but in Slaughter up @ mid, I feel like it might as well be a giant bulls-eye target. Mostly thanks to CC and Cometeor spam.

If I do use it, it ends up 90% of the time next to the node where our melees would normally run; which helps with the full-time job of keeping them alive whilst they eat AoE spam and focus fire just for being melees.


Additionally, party members (again, melee) rarely stay put during skirmishes in the Heliodrome to make much use of Prism.

please improve the pmp, there are many cool ideas you hace to embrace.

Good call. I've run into this in PVP and in raids (ST/LotA/etc). They could easily change the color to match your party or group akin to the A B and C markers.