I'm a newer player (6 weeks-ish). Just wondering if PvP is really worth getting into in this game? there seems to be a pervasive attitude on the forum and internet in general that this is not a pvp game and devs don't care about pvp. however, if I read actual interviews with devs it sounds like they have solid plans for pvp moving forward. Anyway, I was just interested in community feedback?
FFXIV: Good enough for pvp mainstay or should I get my pvp fix elsewhere?
Worth Getting Into?
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05-27-2015, 05:11 AMNephNephWorth Getting Into?
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05-27-2015, 05:53 AMBuff_Archer
Try it out and if you enjoy it, it's worth getting into and if you don't, then vice versa. Just make sure to gear up enough first for Frontlines (i80) or it will be no fun for you or your team. If you go as SCH you'll want to either get your hands on VIT accessories or temporarily respec from Mind -> VIT so you can more easily survive focused attacks from the other team long enough to get into attunement and/or otherwise direct your team to get rid of whoever's hassling you. I'd try out both Secure and Slaughter mode, and in Slaughter mode don't even stress about healing the one or two people who run out of range and die (which assumes you're in the right place of course, if you are paired with an experienced healer stick by them you might need to use your no-weakness PVP raise on each other anyway). I'd prob recommend trying Slaughter mode first if doing it as a SCH since you can hide in the crowd more vs having to tank it; if you get used to using your personal LB in Slaughter mode just remember that the LB in Secure is shared across the whole party.
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05-27-2015, 09:09 AMzeopower6
Might as well give it a shot. The main drawback for most people are the queue times since it can take quite a bit of time to actually get into a match depending on your GC or the time of day. Also Wolves' Den is pretty much impossible to get into at higher ranks unless you find a group to play with or find an event that your data center is hosting. I do hear that for newer players with low PvP rank, 30/40/50 Den pops pretty often on weekends.
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05-30-2015, 09:00 AMaerialrave
The short end of it is, get your PVP fix elsewhere if you are SRS BSNS.
But that doesn't mean you can't play Frontlines casually for fun. I do recommend you try it out, doesn't hurt to queue up for frontlines at the same time as other duties you might be doing.
P.S.: Their "solid plans" involve continuing "faction based combat" (tied to your Grand Company), a serious issue most people don't like. -
05-30-2015, 09:04 AMSanghelios
One thing you can learn about pvp in this game is that the developers are talking big but in the end they do not care and releasing unbalanced and recycled stuff.
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05-30-2015, 02:19 PMGamer3427
I'm honestly a bit curious about this as well. I've read up on the PvP actual playing mechanics a little, and have considered giving it a try. As none of my friends ever take part in it however, and I'm understandably wary of going in relatively blind with a DF group, I've been sidelining it in favor of preparing classes for Heavensward. That long DF wait for a DPS is quite a pain as well, since I can go into other instances with said PvE only friends and get grouped up a lot quicker. I guess what I should be asking is whether or not I should give it a try regardless, or keep focusing on Heavensward preparations, such as trying to get my gear and levels built up better on my secondary classes, for the time being?
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05-30-2015, 02:38 PMzeopower6
What most people do is queue for multiple things at once and just do whatever pops.
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05-31-2015, 01:11 AMMaxwellNot at the moment. Wait 2 weeks after Heavensward launch to try getting into. Not enough players doing pvp right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by NephNeph
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05-31-2015, 03:21 AMzeopower6
There are a good amount doing it right now because they have nothing else to do for the time being.
When 3.0 rolls around, it might go into a temporary lull like last big patch because people will be busy doing other things. -
05-31-2015, 03:41 AMBuff_Archer
Yeah good point and for anyone not yet rank 45 now's the time to be ranking up before heavensward because whatever new pvp gear does come out I'm sure it will require a higher rank than the current cap of 45 to equip.
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05-31-2015, 04:42 AMSanghelios
Yep thats true. On the other hand i am sure that the new frontlines gives out much more exp so it will probably get easier to rank up then.
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05-31-2015, 05:51 AMNalienI think that is a certainty, actually. Even PvPers will need to level up and relearn Jobs to some degree. At least they seem to be aware of that and addressing it in a timely manner though. Can't quite remember where I saw it, but they had a slide detailing Heavensward release, with Alexander being a few weeks behind release and the new Frontlines map (which I hope has Flying Mount access, because paratrooper Ninjas needs to be a thing) a few weeks after that. So we'll have a lull while everyone digests new content, but at least they've got a better plan of action for the release of the new Frontlines.Quote:
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05-31-2015, 05:59 AMzeopower6
It was the PAX slides, I think? But the timeline is set so new FL map is going to be out at the same time as the 'hard' Alexander mode and the new Esoterics tomes which will be sometime in late July or maybe early August.
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06-04-2015, 10:47 AMGuesswhat
Imo it's worth it. I was kinda scared the first time I entered frontline and died like 7 times (only ilvl70ish). Nothing to be afraid of. As with any duty, just say yuo are a noob. Most people tolerate noobs as long as they are honest about it (and don't go under ilvl80).
As of now I find PvP more fun than PvE in this game. Doing dungeon farming quickly becomes boring. PvP, even though it's the same maps, is pretty different each time. Unbalanced, yes, however I've somehow learned to view that as a challange. -
06-04-2015, 12:58 PMDemikz
PvP in this game is well worth it if you like that aspect of gameplay and FFXIV in itself. Admittedly I never played Secure that much, but the Wolves Den and Slaughter I find enjoyable, it's not perfect but it's not lacking in a big way and I could see future updates really bringing it forward. Aside from PvP specific actions (skills) which are there for you to customize to your liking it actually makes some of the basic class skills useful that you'd hardly ever use in PvE and I think that's really cool, ones like Fluid Aura (WHM) One Ilm Punch (MNK) and Freeze (BLM), these really give a sense of being able to play in a tactical fashion with some variance.
The only thing it lacks right now imo is a variety of arenas and perhaps another gamemode or two, I could also imagine there being more features like specific stats recorded or more niche PvP specific challenges with rewards, fingers crossed with Heavensward just a few weeks away ^^ -
06-09-2015, 03:51 AMHyunckel
Meh. I tried it out a fair bit, it's pretty boring.
You wait up to several hours for a 10-15 min aoe clusterfuck and "not in range" errors as an european melee player (gg canadian datacenters), plus the fact that two factions can team up to gank yours is super stupid.
The whole "3 grand companies" design is retarded from the get go anyway, that's why the queue times are atrocious.
That, and the fact that some classes are waaaaay better than others in this mode.
Also, the big lack of incentive, unless you strive to get a barded horse or a boring flying black ball, or maybe some of the fugly armor sets lol
No wonder nobody queues up, I think I'm gonna let it go as well, mostly cause I hate that whole "not in range" bullcrap as a melee european player. -
06-12-2015, 03:45 PMAstryoneus#salty, just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyunckel