music by player

i just thought of something that can be nice for the game, allows player to play music with instrument (like in the lord of the ring online) indeed they can put limitation of where people can play music, but the systeme is not that hard to create and if a game like the lord of the ring onlince can do it, i don't see why FF14 can't.

example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=henpPIyaeiw

this systeme allows multiple person to play music together and in rythm. can be amazing and will give some fun tool for roliste while adding some possibility and nice event to the world. let's bring the music to eorzea!

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

i just thought of something that can be nice for the game, allows player to play music with instrument (like in the lord of the ring online) indeed they can put limitation of where people can play music, but the systeme is not that hard to create and if a game like the lord of the ring onlince can do it, i don't see why FF14 can't.

example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=henpPIyaeiw

this systeme allows multiple person to play music together and in rythm. can be amazing and will give some fun tool for roliste while adding some possibility and nice event to the world. let's bring the music to eorzea!

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As someone who came from the LotRO server that hosted Weatherstock (Landroval shout out! Lonely Mountain Band FTW) the concept of an in-game music system is awesome. However, I don't see it fitting with the lore to have everyone able to play music like that. It works in LoTR just fine, but not so much for FF.

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Originally Posted by Malzian

However, I don't see it fitting with the lore to have everyone able to play music like that. It works in LoTR just fine, but not so much for FF.

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I'm curious, what in the game's lore makes you say that the citizens of Eorzea can't play music?

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

I'm curious, what in the game's lore makes you say that the citizens of Eorzea can't play music?

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Specifically in this game, nothing, but typically in FF games the only people that have ever played music have been bards. It's not that no one else -could-, just that up to this point no one else -has-. (Note, I am not counting Celes' singing in VI as playing music.)

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Originally Posted by Malzian

Specifically in this game, nothing, but typically in FF games the only people that have ever played music have been bards. It's not that no one else -could-, just that up to this point no one else -has-. (Note, I am not counting Celes' singing in VI as playing music.)

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:P So what you're saying is that there's nothing in lore that would be against this idea?

This may seem very nitpicky, but the playable character in four main series Final Fantasy games plays the piano, the lute is played in two, the bell is played in one, and Geomancers, Ninjas, White Mages, and Cait Sith all use instruments in the main series without being bards. That isn't mentioning the amount singing playable characters or npc who also have musical forays or Final Fantasy spinoffs. If you're worried about precedence, I wouldn't sweat it.

I would love to see this included in the game, side content like this I think is some of the best world building.

Edit: I also forgot the concert in FFVIII at Fisherman's Horizon! Where the player characters play the violin, flute, Acoustic Guitar, tap, Piano, Sax, Electric Guitar, and Bass!

I'm all for the idea of players being able to play music. Even if it was limited to players who have unlocked bard, (which it certainly shouldn't be), it would give players an opportunity to actually compose ballads to "sing" and preform in public, which would just enhance the world in general. In a more complex variant of this, I wouldn't mind having the ability to set up a "collection bowl" as well when you enter the performance menu to play the instrument so that passerby who liked the songs could give the musician gil to support their efforts. If done though, we would have to have something set up such that more crowded areas like Mor Dhona and the main city states only have a single location that you can actually preform in, and that you have to register a time slot for, so as to keep it from becoming over crowded. In less crowded areas, it could be more free about it however.....

Even if it was limited to a bard function, I think being able to comprise your own short melody would be really awesome.
Line up the bards and have them play on stages. It'd be great entertainment.

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

:P So what you're saying is that there's nothing in lore that would be against this idea?

This may seem very nitpicky, but the playable character in four main series Final Fantasy games plays the piano, the lute is played in two, the bell is played in one, and Geomancers, Ninjas, White Mages, and Cait Sith all use instruments in the main series without being bards. That isn't mentioning the amount singing playable characters or npc who also have musical forays or Final Fantasy spinoffs. If you're worried about precedence, I wouldn't sweat it.

I would love to see this included in the game, side content like this I think is some of the best world building.

Edit: I also forgot the concert in FFVIII at Fisherman's Horizon! Where the player characters play the violin, flute, Acoustic Guitar, tap, Piano, Sax, Electric Guitar, and Bass!

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In most occasions in FF, playing music has some sort of effect associated with it. There have been breaks with this but most music hasn't been just for the sake of music itself. As far as FFVIII... I've forgotten more about that game than I care to remember, I see it as an side-layer in the mythos and it doesn't really quite fit with the themes of the rest of the games.

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

I'm all for the idea of players being able to play music. Even if it was limited to players who have unlocked bard, (which it certainly shouldn't be), it would give players an opportunity to actually compose ballads to "sing" and preform in public, which would just enhance the world in general. In a more complex variant of this, I wouldn't mind having the ability to set up a "collection bowl" as well when you enter the performance menu to play the instrument so that passerby who liked the songs could give the musician gil to support their efforts. If done though, we would have to have something set up such that more crowded areas like Mor Dhona and the main city states only have a single location that you can actually preform in, and that you have to register a time slot for, so as to keep it from becoming over crowded. In less crowded areas, it could be more free about it however.....

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I'm sorry, LotRO had immensely larger and more sprawling zones than XIV and many many more hub cities so the chances of overlapping with others wanting to play was low and most would give you space if you were playing something in a spot where they wanted to play. At the Pony there was a huge area that you could have at least 6 or 7 people playing in and none would be crowded over the others. You don't even need to think about MD... if you talk even like places around the MB in Limsa you already have people who love to do nothing but spam Holy and do Goon 'pole dancing' to no end.

TL;DR: Thematically it doesn't really fit with what music can do in the FF world archetype. Zones are also far too small and too crowded to make the system viable without being obnoxious in most cases.

This, however, is my opinion... please do take it as that.

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Originally Posted by Malzian

In most occasions in FF, playing music has some sort of effect associated with it. There have been breaks with this but most music hasn't been just for the sake of music itself.

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I can understand not wanting this suggestion, like you said there are legit concerns about overcrowding and the like, but you're on shaky ground if you base your argument on it not fitting the Final Fantasy archetype. Music is all over Final Fantasy, its in its blood. As a video game series it has some of the best music in the industry, its no wonder that music spills over to the lore of their respective universes and not just in the form of music based combat classes.

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Originally Posted by Malzian

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Note however, that I did say that in crowded areas such as the city states, it could be very limited spacing where players would sign up in an in game roster to play at their turn. In more open places where there is enough space that people wouldn't be crowded together, (such as a few of the outposts like Camp Drybone, Aleport, and Quarrymill, as well as general wilderness areas), people would be able to play more freely. If it did get annoying, allow the option to turn off "player generated music" in the same way you can turn off mounted music. You could also add a simple "mute" option for a player by player basis if you found one to be particularly bad, but you enjoyed another.....

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

I can understand not wanting this suggestion, like you said there are legit concerns about overcrowding and the like, but you're on shaky ground if you base your argument on it not fitting the Final Fantasy archetype. Music is all over Final Fantasy, its in its blood. As a video game series it has some of the best music in the industry, its no wonder that music spills over to the lore of their respective universes and not just in the form of music based combat classes.

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Originally Posted by Malzian

In most occasions in FF, playing music has some sort of effect associated with it. There have been breaks with this but most music hasn't been just for the sake of music itself. As far as FFVIII... I've forgotten more about that game than I care to remember, I see it as an side-layer in the mythos and it doesn't really quite fit with the themes of the rest of the games.

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This, however, is my opinion... please do take it as that.

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I did say most, not all. Yes, FF has some of the best music out there, though that music you refer to is the music we listen to while playing and isn't necessarily some soundtrack playing in the character's heads. Once again... this is my opinion, and I don't think it fits thematically to give everyone the ability to run around playing music in addition to the issues.

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

Note however, that I did say that in crowded areas such as the city states, it could be very limited spacing where players would sign up in an in game roster to play at their turn. In more open places where there is enough space that people wouldn't be crowded together, (such as a few of the outposts like Camp Drybone, Aleport, and Quarrymill, as well as general wilderness areas), people would be able to play more freely. If it did get annoying, allow the option to turn off "player generated music" in the same way you can turn off mounted music. You could also add a simple "mute" option for a player by player basis if you found one to be particularly bad, but you enjoyed another.....

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Sadly I can only see grief coming from the sign ups for such a roster as this...

Please don't take it as me coming out and saying I am completely against this, I just don't think it makes sense in this game.

Mabinogi has this exact thing. They have an option to mute playing instruments as well so it wouldn't be a problem in crowded areas, but I don't really see this being a necessary addition to this game honestly. In Mabinogi it gave you stats, in this game... not so much.

Lol i thought you meant these guys

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the best solution is to limite this to residential area, giving them a function.

Yoshida said they might do it a while ago, probably in one of the live letters or something

wasn't the opera house in ff6 just an opera house for the sake of being an opera house.


edit: isn't ffx 2 about a band.

double edit: wait doesnt the bard quest explain that minstrels are a thing and go on a long dialogue about how bards and minstrels are different.

super edit III -i keep remembering things edition-: Isn't a certain songstress of uldah around.

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Originally Posted by Nephera

edit: isn't ffx 2 about a band.

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First thing in the game is a concert.