you guys think WAR can outdps the 3 melee jobs?

with the new dps stance?
of course assuming the players are on the same skill level/ilvl

i can see them beating pre GL mnk

They wouldn't let a tank do that much DPS. The added HP and defense would trivialize some stuff.

They also said they altered existing abilities of PLD and WAR.

That could mean a nerf to dps when without the new stance :x

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Originally Posted by Rbstr

They wouldn't let a tank do that much DPS. The added HP and defense would trivialize some stuff.

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This, basically. Tanks are perilously close to this already... SE would do well not to exasperate the problem if they truly wish to keep enforcing the Trinity.

I'd say maybe beat a bard who has foes up all the time but that's pushing it too. The real question is will WAR out dps other tanks in their attack stance? Theorycrafters, GO!

Edit: I meant Mage Ballad. I don't play bard so idk.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

I'd say maybe beat a bard who has foes up all the time

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Foe's Requiem doesn't lower the damage output of a Bard.

I doubt tanks will do more damage than the other DDs, but if they get to like 70-80% of them (In attack stance), I wouldn't mind at all and I don't think it's unfair, simply because it makes tanks(and healers for that matter) less boring to play, which means these roles will be more popular. DDs are great and they have their job to do as well as buffs/debuffs to cast, which increase overall dps, so I don't think it would be terrible if they only surpassed tank/healer dps by 30-20%

WAR may be getting a DPS buff but so are all the DPS jobs, their new moves will probably outweigh the new battle stance. They'll probably outdps a DD if they didn't get any new moves from 50-60 though. Especially with these new abadon stacks, they'll probably be getting some monster damage moves.

^ Up till now, everyone had a general 3 step combo for DPS, including tanks. I'm pretty sure every DPS is getting a 4th step in one way or another. Tanks are getting attack stances to keep up with that so they don't feel like dead weight when that guy in the party tells everyone how they parsed.

Can already out dps lots of dps in my str set with crit/det zeta
A new attack stance is going to be amazing

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Originally Posted by ErzaScarlet77

with the new dps stance?
of course assuming the players are on the same skill level/ilvl

i can see them beating pre GL mnk

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Really, it depends on the dps. If we're talking evenly geared/skilled players, no. If we're talking about a better skilled and geared tank vs a lesser skilled and geared dps, yes. If we're talking about an evenly geared, but better skilled war, probably.

I'm calling it right now: the new raid meta is Warrior x7 / Whm x1. Aint nobody got time for some weak-ass, low hp dragoons, mages and monks out here! RIP ALL CLASSES.

When warriors heard about a dps stance.
http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/imag...3092390957.gif
*Rampage intensifies*

I think them will not outdps, drk is maybe as strong the war is also, because he don't have a shield, and have certainly a dps stance too and can burst by put dark aura when you can.
(I still think Dark is more a Tank to replace a War than a pld, it's a good thing when you know There a Lot of Pld playing with Less War playing)
But dps will get up too with others stacks or burst mechanic, so a war can't output a melee.
But tanks will be strong, i think them want to make solo tank content not possible too.
If tanks are strong it become useless to solo tank something.
Strong enough to not choose a dps to replace it, but not strong enough to have 7 war/dark and a healer to clear content

I really can't imagine any tank out dps-ing (is that a word?) anyone who's sole purpose is to provide damage. However, tanks rarely have to peel off to truly dps adds. This might make them on a more lvl playing field for raw dmg on a primary mob.

It all comes down to player skill though. Seems like theres gonna be some big changes so initially you might see some major variation while other jobs figure out optimal rotations and the such. Once that starts to get figured out I imagine most of the classes will fall close to where they fall now.