New Dungeon preview : Could Omega be the final dungeon that was showed?

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Tell me your opinion guys. Its clear that we have 2 allagan dungeons but they aren't 1 on 2 ( Like CM - Praetorium ), also it kind looks like a base of some kind.

Considering that Omega is beneath Carteneau and that's the Floating Continent somewhere above Abalathia's Spine (the mountain range), I don't imagine the sphinx-looking machine was Omega.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

Considering that Omega is beneath Carteneau and that's the Floating Continent somewhere above Abalathia's Spine (the mountain range), I don't imagine the sphinx-looking machine was Omega.

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There is another allag style dungeon, that one im sure is on the floating continent

Omega is buried beneath the Cartenau Flats back in Eorzea and is likely to end up under the control of Lolorito at this rate. We've been told that Omega will play a role in the expansion though so it's entirely possible he'll be reactivated and somehow end up in the Heavens with us.

That final Allagan dungeon in the preview looks like something else though. The final scene they show is of something very large imprisoned in a Dalamud-like structure, complete with blades of energy piercing whatever was being held in the centre. The sudden change in colour scheme there (from blue to red) and the new architecture (lots of spikes and those yellow glowing pods) matches the unique style of Final Coil as well so I'm not sure if that will be of any significance. That dungeon may be where Dalamud was first created. Either way the boss seems likely to be whatever is imprisoned in that sphere, and we know that isn't Omega.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Omega is buried beneath the Cartenau Flats back in Eorzea and is likely to end up under the control of Lolorito at this rate. We've been told that Omega will play a role in the expansion though so it's entirely possible he'll be reactivated and somehow end up in the Heavens with us.

That final Allagan dungeon in the preview looks like something else though. The final scene they show is of something very large imprisoned in a Dalamud-like structure, complete with blades of energy piercing whatever was being held in the centre. The sudden change in colour scheme there (from blue to red) and the new architecture (lots of spikes and those yellow glowing pods) matches the unique style of Final Coil as well so I'm not sure if that will be of any significance. That dungeon may be where Dalamud was first created. Either way the boss seems likely to be whatever is imprisoned in that sphere, and we know that isn't Omega.

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Cant be so sure.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Cant be so sure.

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Omega, like Ultima Weapon, was a tool used by Allag to deal with primals. They built it and controlled it so I find it very unlikely that they would need to hold it in a Dalamud-like prison.

It's possible only so far as anything could happen in the expansion and we don't really know what to expect just yet, but I find it very unlikely Omega would somehow be unearthed and reactivated in Cartenau and end up imprisoned on the Floating Continent.

The one dungeon did look like it contains the remains of a ragnarok-class starship. It may have been one of the ones that was thrown from Dalamud and ended up in Dravania. Either that, or it was positioned there and never took flight, or is simply one of Allag's research ships (they were very persistent on experiments).

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Originally Posted by Alberel

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This is only pure expeculation, yes we dont have all the info just yet. I just wanna give some logical facts, I stil could be totaly wong.

Something we know for sure is that on FFXIV nothing is that simple, so could it be that maybe somethone Omega moved from Cartaneau to one of the new areas of HW, on the events of MSQ.
Also lets remmeber, if you wanna fight a big massive and prowefull primal, what would you do? Create a super bigg badass machine. Given of what we saw so far ( Dalamud, Floating Continent, colosal ragnarock startships ) is not out of the question that they woulc have make a colosal machine in orther to fight Bahamut.
I'm not sure if you know the game MGS ( this is just an example ), there were lots of Metal Gears, but Arsenal Gear was different from the rest beacuse of his enormus size.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Omega, like Ultima Weapon, was a tool used by Allag to deal with primals. They built it and controlled it so I find it very unlikely that they would need to hold it in a Dalamud-like prison.

It's possible only so far as anything could happen in the expansion and we don't really know what to expect just yet, but I find it very unlikely Omega would somehow be unearthed and reactivated in Cartenau and end up imprisoned on the Floating Continent.

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Though you gotta wonder... why did the Allagan people imprison the winged Ixali (you can see them in the tubes for the first Allag looking dungeon)? Is that dungeon taking place on their native home? Is the imprisoned being an Elder Primal to the winged Ixali?

I have questions that are going to bother me for another month.

Are we completely sure all the dungeons are in the new areas? Perhaps there are ones in the old areas too. They did say the Main Scenario would take us back to the old areas.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Though you gotta wonder... why did the Allagan people imprison the winged Ixali (you can see them in the tubes for the first Allag looking dungeon)? Is that dungeon taking place on their native home? Is the imprisoned being an Elder Primal to the winged Ixali?

I have questions that are going to bother me for another month.

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It's possible Allag invaded Ayatlan at some point and unleashed the 'Lord of Snakes' on the Ixal before they summoned Garuda to defeat him and lost their wings in the process. Those imprisoned in what I assume to be a lab of some kind were likely taken for genetic experimentation.

There's another possibility though and that's that the Allagans actually created the Ixal. One of Midgardsormr's seven sons has a beak and horns identical to those of the Ixal and I would not be surprised to discover that they are the results of genetic experimentation on him. The dreadknights in the binding coil could very well be the culmination of that research and the Ixal we know in Eorzea escaped the Floating Continent at some point and fled to the ground below. If this were the case then the creature bound within that sphere may well be the dragon they were created from.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Are we completely sure all the dungeons are in the new areas? Perhaps there are ones in the old areas too. They did say the Main Scenario would take us back to the old areas.

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I have been considering the possibility that the second of those Allagan dungeons actually is the ruin that Omega is held in under Cartenau. Again I'm not sure why he'd be held in some kind of prison but I suppose it's entirely possible. The architecture there matches what we've seen of the Floating Continent though so I'm leaning more to that being the likely location.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Though you gotta wonder... why did the Allagan people imprison the winged Ixali?

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You ask that as if the Allagans ever needed a reason to hurt people. It was Firesday, and the thought that they might make it an entire week without inflicting widespread suffering on an entire culture was simply too much to bear.

I'm not sure the omega card will be played so quickly. Sure, Ultima was at the end of 2.0, but Omega is in a whole different league. And recycling the ending with a bigger robot would be cheap.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

I'm not sure the omega card will be played so quickly. Sure, Ultima was at the end of 2.0, but Omega is in a whole different league. And recycling the ending with a bigger robot would be cheap.

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I agree it would be cheap to end the 3.0 story on a fight with Omega but Yoshi did confirm Omega to be involved in the Heavensward story arc. It's possible he won't show up until the 3.x story patches though.

My personal expectation is that Omega will be involved in the story pertaining to our rescue of Raubahn and deposing Lolorito. If Lolorito was pulling Teledji's strings all along (as seems to be the case) then Lolorito was also seeking control of Omega. How better to hold power after a revolution than to wield the greatest weapon of mass destruction the planet has known? Of course I don't actually expect Lolorito to be able to control it... something is bound to go wrong.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Of course I don't actually expect Lolorito to be able to control it... something is bound to go wrong.

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If the Allagans were consistent at all in their user interface design (granted, they sorta aren't) I suspect that there is precisely one living person we've met with both the knowledge and "compatibility" to pilot it in its original, unmodified form. Or, at the very least, he now carries the admin overrides in his very blood. Will they go there, though?

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Originally Posted by Fenral

If the Allagans were consistent at all in their user interface design (granted, they sorta aren't) I suspect that there is precisely one living person we've met with both the knowledge and "compatibility" to pilot it in its original, unmodified form. Or, at the very least, he now carries the admin overrides in his very blood. Will they go there, though?

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To be honest, they will have to recycle something. Either the Graha Tia plot. Maybe with Graha Tia himself. Or Alexander, and have us fight inside Omega, or the Cloud of Darkness, with us fighting a face from a platform.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

To be honest, they will have to recycle something. Either the Graha Tia plot. Maybe with Graha Tia himself. Or Alexander, and have us fight inside Omega, or the Cloud of Darkness, with us fighting a face from a platform.

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For some reason in my tired mind I first read that as fight Omega from inside Alexander. As in controlling Alexander to fight Omega in a giant robot battle.

...I do want that...

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

For some reason in my tired mind I first read that as fight Omega from inside Alexander. As in controlling Alexander to fight Omega in a giant robot battle.

...I do want that...

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Actually I would pay extra for that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuU8mxBTLEc

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Originally Posted by Balipu

To be honest, they will have to recycle something. Either the Graha Tia plot. Maybe with Graha Tia himself. Or Alexander, and have us fight inside Omega, or the Cloud of Darkness, with us fighting a face from a platform.

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They did go into an awful lot of detail on the Royal Allagan blood, and pointing out that he's the only one left who has it. Though I suppose there's nothing that said his father is dead, so we could be meeting him instead. Or one of Salina's own descendants, assuming she had any.

Still, there's no way someone with a glowing red eye or two can walk on now without the Ironworks crew going, "hey, wait a sec," so it may have to happen when they aren't around just so the WoL can fail to explain key plot points again. There's just too much Allag going on otherwise for Cid to credibly forget we have one in cold storage, waiting for his chance to help out.

When the theme between the allag dungeons change, also the music changes. That second music did some Dejá Vú feeling in my mind. But I don't remember in which FF and in which context I've heard this song.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

When the theme between the allag dungeons change, also the music changes. That second music did some Dejá Vú feeling in my mind. But I don't remember in which FF and in which context I've heard this song.

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I got the same feeling as well. Been trying to figure out what it sounds like and I think it's based on the FF6 battle theme. It's very different but the structure and scales are very similar.

It could just be coincidence though. I'm not actually sure if that track is the soundtrack for that final dungeon either as it continues to play throughout the boss montage at the end and looks more like it could be the new dungeon boss theme.

Alberel, I have to agree that I think that song is based in FF6, but instead of the battle theme I feel it has the same structure as the Battle to the Death song... which was used for the Atma weapon fight. It just has that cadence in my mind but its sort of hard to notice since the FF6 version sounds so wild.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

When the theme between the allag dungeons change, also the music changes. That second music did some Dejá Vú feeling in my mind. But I don't remember in which FF and in which context I've heard this song.

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Which FF? XIV. Which context? Watch the Heavensward opening FMV again.

That leitmotif plays at a few different points. While it may have some coincidental (or not) resemblance to past FF tunes, I believe we can think of it as Soken's own "main theme," not unlike the leitmotif used in ARR that culminates in the Praetorium assault theme.

I suspect that place is our final 8-man story dungeon, but how we get there from dragons and Ishgard is going to be the big question this time around.

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Originally Posted by Taliss

Alberel, I have to agree that I think that song is based in FF6, but instead of the battle theme I feel it has the same structure as the Battle to the Death song... which was used for the Atma weapon fight. It just has that cadence in my mind but its sort of hard to notice since the FF6 version sounds so wild.

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Oh wow, you're right! That is a much closer match! In fact the melodies are almost identical at certain points.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Which FF? XIV. Which context? Watch the Heavensward opening FMV again.

That leitmotif plays at a few different points. While it may have some coincidental (or not) resemblance to past FF tunes, I believe we can think of it as Soken's own "main theme," not unlike the leitmotif used in ARR that culminates in the Praetorium assault theme.

I suspect that place is our final 8-man story dungeon, but how we get there from dragons and Ishgard is going to be the big question this time around.

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That last dungeon is almost certainly a part of the Floating Continent from FF6. We've also had concept art confirming the existence of the Warring Triad on the island somewhere as well. Given that all the Crystal Tower quests and locations used tracks from FF3 it is almost expected that a location based on FF6 will use some musical inspiration from the game as well.

This is the track that Taliss was referring to above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH40gYZhwWI

And this is the final dungeon track from the new trailer: https://youtu.be/YGcvnNOe34k?t=5m42s

I find it hard to believe the obvious similarities are pure coincidence on Soken's part.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Oh wow, you're right! That is a much closer match! In fact the melodies are almost identical at certain points.



That last dungeon is almost certainly a part of the Floating Continent from FF6. We've also had concept art confirming the existence of the Warring Triad on the island somewhere as well. Given that all the Crystal Tower quests and locations used tracks from FF3 it is almost expected that a location based on FF6 will use some musical inspiration from the game as well.

This is the track that Taliss was referring to above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH40gYZhwWI

And this is the final dungeon track from the new trailer: https://youtu.be/YGcvnNOe34k?t=5m42s

I find it hard to believe the obvious similarities are pure coincidence on Soken's part.

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The first one of the 2 last dungeons I have to said that is from the floating continent, but im quite no so sure with the second one

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Originally Posted by Alberel

I find it hard to believe the obvious similarities are pure coincidence on Soken's part.

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Because it's Soken, (rather, arranger Yoshitaka Suzuki) I could believe it's a coincidence, or at least unintentional.

Final Fantasy XIV: ARR - The Corpse Hall

The Last Story - Order and Chaos

This happens in the industry all the time. Probably intentional this time, though. Probably. The latter part is definitely original, but that intro is very FF6.

Also of note with the FF6 references... Did anyone else think that the first of those allagan dungeons (with all the winged ixal) might have been the FFXIV allusion to the FF6 magitek research facility? With Garleans taking that Gestahlian Empire feel anyways. Maybe those ixal could even be children of the great Valigarmanda / Tritoch that gets the whole of FF6 started? ideas.. ideas...

I believe the Allagan structures we will visit in the 'Sky' will be the home of the Allagans AFTER Fourth Umbral Era. The Crystal Tower caused Earthquakes, perhaps Eorzea was highly unstable and barely livable so the last remaining Allagans (we are told there were survivors) fled to Sky so they could live. With the knowledge of Dalamud on their minds and in their scientific know-how they probably sought a way to balance things or continue the Allagan 'success' with another Dalamud-esque structure.

Having said that I think its safe to assume the Allagans would not have stopped at Ultima and Omega Weapons so Atma Weapon is entirely possible and expected.

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Originally Posted by NoloeTazier

I believe the Allagan structures we will visit in the 'Sky' will be the home of the Allagans AFTER Fourth Umbral Era. The Crystal Tower caused Earthquakes, perhaps Eorzea was highly unstable and barely livable so the last remaining Allagans (we are told there were survivors) fled to Sky so they could live. With the knowledge of Dalamud on their minds and in their scientific know-how they probably sought a way to balance things or continue the Allagan 'success' with another Dalamud-esque structure.

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Perhaps they even had some way to link the Crystal Tower to their Floating Continent, and the survivors' real motivations in arranging its restoration had to do with powering the Floating Continent again to some misguided but well-meant purpose. I suppose that could easily just be me wanting to see that entire story mercilessly deconstructed, but Dalamud was still fully-operational when they made that "wish," so who knows?

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Originally Posted by Taliss

Alberel, I have to agree that I think that song is based in FF6, but instead of the battle theme I feel it has the same structure as the Battle to the Death song

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You need to pay attention to hear it, but it really sounds like the Atma weapon battle song. It maybe suggest something.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Which FF? XIV. Which context? Watch the Heavensward opening FMV again.

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I was about to type no no no, the cinematic music comes up in the snowcloak like dungeon, but after listening to it carefully I noticed that it really does sounds like the part played when the fluffy white dragon attacks derplander on the bridge. The one from the first dungeon is reused more often. What I found odd is that this so far unnamed Soken theme seems to play the same role Answers played in ARR (featured in the cinematics, remixed all the time for different places) even though the actual main theme is Dragonsong by Uematsu.

By the way since we are starting to move the discussion to the music I'd recommend talking about the music here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...54#post2982754

I made a dedicated thread as there were none so far.

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Originally Posted by NoloeTazier

Having said that I think its safe to assume the Allagans would not have stopped at Ultima and Omega Weapons so Atma Weapon is entirely possible and expected.

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Afraid not. Atma was a mistranslation of Ultima that has been fixed in more recent versions of FF6, and they don't use mistranslations again in any of their games once they've been corrected.

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Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

Afraid not. Atma was a mistranslation of Ultima that has been fixed in more recent versions of FF6, and they don't use mistranslations again in any of their games once they've been corrected.

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I don't know. My ninja has a yoshimitsu atma

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Originally Posted by Balipu

I don't know. My ninja has a yoshimitsu atma

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Gaius Zombie>> But the Atma Weapon is all powerfu... What? It's just a reskin of the Ultima Weapon with higher iLevel but no stats change? Are you serious?

I almost want them to add that in now as a final dungeon boss. The Atma Weapon, exactly the same as Ultima Weapon in every way except colour pallet, even though we're now Lv60. Perhaps it could be part of Hildibrands next case.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Gaius Zombie>> But the Atma Weapon is all powerfu... What? It's just a reskin of the Ultima Weapon with higher iLevel but no stats change? Are you serious?

I almost want them to add that in now as a final dungeon boss. The Atma Weapon, exactly the same as Ultima Weapon in every way except colour pallet, even though we're now Lv60. Perhaps it could be part of Hildibrands next case.

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Yeah Gilgamesh is trying to steal the Ultima Weapon. Unfortunately he only gets a cheep knockoff.

Omega will probably be much more important /after/ the ishgardian dragon stuffs is at least quelled. Probably ominous background information leading to 4.0 with Omega being the major key of said expansion I dunno. I doubt they would relegate Omega to... a dungeon.

Lol at the thought of people the thinking the sephix could be omega. Compare that to ultima and which one looks more primal killing? Omega and is the upgraded form of ultima and to top if off that spehinx looks like a normal boss never mind something on the weapons level.

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Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess

Lol at the thought of people the thinking the sephix could be omega. Compare that to ultima and which one looks more primal killing? Omega and is the upgraded form of ultima and to top if off that spehinx looks like a normal boss never mind something on the weapons level.

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People aren't talking about that boss, they're discussing the one inside the giant white Dalamud structure at the end of the very last dungeon for which the boss was not revealed. The fact that it's been kept a secret suggests it has some story significance which is where the Omega stuff has come from. Personally I don't think it makes any sense since Omega is in Cartenau and now very close to being under Lolorito's control. I think he will instead be involved in the campaign to take back Ul'Dah.

Ahhh sorry was more in replys to someonrs post on 1st page. Maybe its a proto type of Omega or something.

I remember someone hypothesizing that there were more "Weapons" stored in Eorzea by the ancient Allag.

That red Sphinx-Ixal-hybrid could very well be a minor "weapon"; a prototype weapon tasked in protecting that weird core?

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Originally Posted by myahele

I remember someone hypothesizing that there were more "Weapons" stored in Eorzea by the ancient Allag.

That red Sphinx-Ixal-hybrid could very well be a minor "weapon"; a prototype weapon tasked in protecting that weird core?

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I dont think he was portecting a core, if you take a a look the battle ground of that box is the same one of where that big sphere with chains is. The fact that it has CHAINS make be to believe that is a cage, contructed so that weapon wouldn scape lol