Urth's Font

I was unlucky enough to not get this done when it first came out, and now the queue times for it are astronomically long.
Once I do manage to get in, the fight proves very difficult for most folks and usually culminates in a wipe and people leaving right away.
This content doesn't provide much in the way of gear, so I'm thinking it would be beneficial now for new comers to give us echo buff or reduce its difficulty in some way and possibly add it to Duty Roulette Trials..

While I don't have an issue with the fight itself, Ive been very close to beating it before (1-2% sometimes), it has become frustrating to see that incomplete quest I may never get completed purely because there just are not enough interested players or rewards to justify the means.

I realize many folks may not share my opinion, but then, are those same folks actively doing this fight to help the queue in any way? :P

The only time I ever do it is PF groups for farming... I don't DF it at all.
I don't really think it needs a nerf at the moment. Have you tried getting a PF clear party together? I bet there's a few people who are trying to clear it as well.

There are a few old trials that are not popular and hard to get people together for. I recommend asking your FC members to help you complete it. Much more fun that way anyhow!

Most people don't queue for it in DF, it's much easier to do in PF with one tank and an extra DPS.

I believe Urth prefers the more traditional ones such as Classic Roman, Helvetica, and Tahoma. Word on the street however, is that lately he's been dabbling in Carbon Block. Wild and craaaaazy guy!

I just tried this for the first time last night, in the DF. We gave it a good try but never got it below 30%. As whm, I found it incredibly trying. Every time we tried I would run into mp issues. And I know I'm good with mp conservation. I don't know if my party was doing something wrong or not but I was having to absolutely spam medica after 50%. Since there's no reason to try really I'm not gonna bother going back.

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Originally Posted by Odd

I just tried this for the first time last night, in the DF. We gave it a good try but never got it below 30%. As whm, I found it incredibly trying. Every time we tried I would run into mp issues. And I know I'm good with mp conservation. I don't know if my party was doing something wrong or not but I was having to absolutely spam medica after 50%. Since there's no reason to try really I'm not gonna bother going back.

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Hmm... were you guys Esuna-ing off the first Bleed debuff after Einherjar? That one can be removed; it's only the second one while the spears are out during Gungnir that can't be.

It has no new mechanics to learn. I call it a potency battle, you only need to survive high damage, and do your best dps in return to win. That means it will be very trivial later on when people outgear it and have echo. I find healing is usually what people have a problem with right now. If you are lucky enough to get really great healers, you can barrel through it almost as easily as Garuda.

The problem with the fight is everyone at the minimum ilvl will maybe get him to 50% before he smokes you, especially with 2 tanks. And when you go DF, you will have at least 2 dps at the bare minimum.

Do it in party finder, set the minimum ilvl to at least 110, and have 5 dps and 1 tank. Easy fight.

I find it kinda funny Ultima HM was almost exactly like this quite a while back. The clear rate for that one is better now that people outgear it more, but it still isn't in a roulette either and doesn't have any significant enough drops that people want to do it more than once. I don't think giving Urth's Fount the 5% increment echo would be unreasonable (how old is it now? was that 2.4 or 2.5?), but if you do as several people have suggested and bring 5 dps, it's a lot easier.

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Originally Posted by lyndwyrm

I find it kinda funny Ultima HM was almost exactly like this quite a while back. The clear rate for that one is better now that people outgear it more, but it still isn't in a roulette either and doesn't have any significant enough drops that people want to do it more than once. I don't think giving Urth's Fount the 5% increment echo would be unreasonable (how old is it now? was that 2.4 or 2.5?), but if you do as several people have suggested and bring 5 dps, it's a lot easier.

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2.5, so not exactly that old.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

2.5, so not exactly that old.

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Not old no, but already outdated imo.

By the time 3.0 drops everything we have now will be irrelevant so i guess it will be nerfed at some point so people can experience it. It's like the EX Primals that can all be steamrolled by gear carry now one day Odin will be the same. It's not a particularly hard fight it's down to your Healers and DPS if people die because of poor Healers or because they keep derping into Odin's simple to dodge attacks with a bleed debuff on them then you will fail the DPS check. If he's not sub 20% when he starts charging his ultimate you are going to wipe. I did it in DF the first day of release we had a really good group and beat it second try. First try me and the other Healer were taken by surprise a bit at how relentless the fight is on us but the second try we were prepared for it and he was about 12% when he casted his ultimate.

i don't think it needs a nerf as such maybe just a higher ilvl requirement on it so for ppl who don't have there rotation and have amazing dps for there ilvl 90 gear can still give it a red hot go with better gear atleast.. and i see this often when he does is main aoe don't run 60 miles out side of the red circle just to the edge then back in keeps more uptime on him

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Originally Posted by slml320

i don't think it needs a nerf as such maybe just a higher ilvl requirement on it so for ppl who don't have there rotation and have amazing dps for there ilvl 90 gear can still give it a red hot go with better gear atleast.. and i see this often when he does is main aoe don't run 60 miles out side of the red circle just to the edge then back in keeps more uptime on him

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That's the same for all bosses really. A lot of people run a marathon dodging an AoE you only need to be outside it.

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

That's the same for all bosses really. A lot of people run a marathon dodging an AoE you only need to be outside it.

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I've noticed a lot of people will also just stand there and wait for an attack animation to go off before running back in when you don't need to do that at all. As soon as the red indicator disappears, it's safe to go in.

I'm at 19 wipes right now... I don't think I'll ever clear it if people don't improve. This is a fight where you can't carry people and it shows.

I actually have a rage-quitter to thank for clearing this... no really... DF'ed it when it first came out, and after a couple of wipes a DRG died and left mid fight. If he'd been raised he'd have had weakness, but instead he got replaced with a new DRG with no weakness to finish the fight. We killed him just as the Zantetsuken timer went off so prob wouldn't have done it if the player had accepted a revive and kept going.

I don't think Urth's Fount needs a nerf. Yes, it's hard as hell- and I love that. But why?

Because you don't need to run or complete Urth's Fount at any point. It's not part of the main story, it's only available at 50, it's gear drops are only for glamour purposes, and the only reward for clearing it is an achievement. Urth's Fount is 100% optional to progression in every way. So let it be difficult- doesn't that make the gear it drops all the much sweeter when you finally get a piece?

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

I don't think Urth's Fount needs a nerf. Yes, it's hard as hell- and I love that. But why?

Because you don't need to run or complete Urth's Fount at any point. It's not part of the main story, it's only available at 50, it's gear drops are only for glamour purposes, and the only reward for clearing it is an achievement. Urth's Fount is 100% optional to progression in every way. So let it be difficult- doesn't that make the gear it drops all the much sweeter when you finally get a piece?

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That quest in my log annoys me and I want to clear everything that isn't coil once before hw.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

That quest in my log annoys me and I want to clear everything that isn't coil once before hw.

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Cool! No one's makin' you do any of that but you. You can always abandon the quest if you can't clear it, and since there's no content gated by beating Odin, that personal clear is on you and you alone.

With how difficult it is, won't it feel even better when you overcome that hurdle? Especially if you do it before heavensward, since by the time that rolls around it'll most likely be easier just due to gear inflation.

Anybody running this with 60's unsynced? What is your experience?

Trust me it needs a nerf. Tried this thing 4 different groups... Just not enough power to finish the boss. And now that they've gone and disabled bard ... It really should be adjusted.

Go in with an unsynced party you build on PF (have to do 7 right now since 8 is bugged and will level sync you, should be fixed with 3.01) and just steam-roll it.

I've noticed I have the same problem. I'll DF it, since it's been in my uncompleted quests, but every time we run, we get it to maybe 25% before it's a wipe and people start pointing fingers at one another and dropping out.

It's always been an MP issue with the healers in my runs, even though I've attempted to top myself off with my own heals when they're busy. But it's frustrating when people are impatient and just vote to abandon whether you want to or not.

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Originally Posted by gingerSMASH

I've noticed I have the same problem. I'll DF it, since it's been in my uncompleted quests, but every time we run, we get it to maybe 25% before it's a wipe and people start pointing fingers at one another and dropping out.

It's always been an MP issue with the healers in my runs, even though I've attempted to top myself off with my own heals when they're busy. But it's frustrating when people are impatient and just vote to abandon whether you want to or not.

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Probably shouldnt be healing yourself in there. The dps you could be putting out is far more important. Less dps equals longer fight equals more heals needed. Its a rough fight on heals. But as long as the dps are dodging like they should be, instead of doing the "I'll just stand in the AOE because its the healers job to heal me, not my job to avoid damage...", it is easily manageable.