Dragoon lore seems skewed now. Anyone know whats happening?

The new storyline in the expo? I mean, the black dragoon is the one we kinda shit on.. aaaaaaaaand there was only supposed to be one holy dragoon. Yet there seems to be an army of them now?

I mean I get that the midgarsormer is using us, and we're linked to him so our power reflects that instead of nids powers, so the new armor and new LB and such are the way they are, so that explains why there would be two holy dragoons now. HOWEVER THE ARMY OF DRAGOONS DOESNT MAKE SENSE LORE WISE. :<

Nor does the black dragoon being alive.


Sooo, was anything said about this by the lore team at SE? was there a patch that redid the lore and I just wasnt around for it? (been gone for a while).

There was a thread about this already, and from what I remember, the "dragoons" of ishgard aren't really dragoons, but the only true dragoon is the azure dragoon(not counting WoL), as far as the azure dragoon, I can't say I remember what was said about them, only that it was possible he didn't really die.

The Ishgardian dragoons belong to a proper combat unit - in that unit, everyone is dragoon and everyone is trained in aerial and anti-dragon combat. So yes there has always been an army of them.

There however is only 1 azure dragoon, who is the best and is blessed by Nidhogg (of course the WoL made an exception).

So it makes sense lore-wise.

What doesn't make sense is how in the cinematics every dragon is decked in drachen mail and holding gae bolg - since presumably they are azure dragoon exclusive.

This could just be for flair. However, to really push for it, neither the drachen mail nor gae bolg is one of its kind in the lore of the game, so it can still make sense.

The Ishgardian dragoons belong to a proper combat unit - in that unit, everyone is dragoon and everyone is trained in aerial and anti-dragon combat. So yes there has always been an army of them.

There however is only 1 azure dragoon, who is the best and is blessed by Nidhogg (of course the WoL made an exception).

So it makes sense lore-wise.

What doesn't make sense is how in the cinematics every dragon is decked in drachen mail and holding gae bolg - since presumably they are azure dragoon exclusive.

This could just be for flair. However, to really push for it, neither the drachen mail nor gae bolg is one of its kind in the lore of the game, so it can still make sense.

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

There was a thread about this already, and from what I remember, the "dragoons" of ishgard aren't really dragoons, but the only true dragoon is the azure dragoon(not counting WoL), as far as the azure dragoon, I can't say I remember what was said about them, only that it was possible he didn't really die.

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Is there a link to it I could get? I was sifting around and didn't find anything when I looked.

Like Shuon said, the dragoons are a combat unit for the defense of Ishgard against dragons, but there's one top dragoon that rarely occurs called the Azure Dragoon.

Dragoons are common enough. The Azure dragoon is special and before we came along unique. Estinien, the Black Dragoon you mention, never died in the quest. Infact when you end the quest the questgiver outright says Estinien fled rather than dying.

Midgardsormr's interaction with the WoL is tied to him/her being the Warrior of Light, not a Dragoon. Being a Dragoon is purely coincidental. We still know very little about the nature of the dragons origins.

From the Dragoon class quests I got that Drachen Armour isn't that rare and any dragoon will wear it as it strengthens their powers but the armour has to be uniquely made for each Dragoon for the Dragoon to bond to it. As for Gae Bolg, it is unique because it is the weapon of a legendary Dragoon. Its design however is likely not unique. They mention that the 'wings' on Gae Bolg are used by Dragoons to aid in controlling their direction of decent when in the air during the relic quest.

This is just an speculation but could it be that maybe the DRG AF2 it will the profer gear to difference the Azure dragoon from the common ones?

Yeah, the Drachen armor is specially ordered and crafted; similar to Paladin's armor. Its been a while, but I don't know if the DRG quest giver gave you his old armor or had one specially created for the player

Gae Bolg was unique to a legendary Azure Dragoon(forgot the name) The design of her spear (aerodymics, etc.) was so successful in killing dragons that it's design became the basis of all dragoon spears.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

This is just an speculation but could it be that maybe the DRG AF2 it will the profer gear to difference the Azure dragoon from the common ones?

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I don't think so. In the final battle with Estinian, the DRG soul crystal resonated you the player character you briefly was shown wearing the full set.

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When the being of darkness closed upon us, you appeared to me the spitting image of Haldrath the Dragonseye, just as he is depicted in the holy scriptures

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Truly, a momentous achievement. I can still scarce believe that you were able to summon the selfsame drachen mail worn by Haldrath! To think that it had been sealed within the soul crystal all this time...
#27 Alberic
I have borne witness to many and more wonders over the years, yet none compares to you, my young dragoon. Could it be that you are...?
#28 Alberic
Ahem. Mark not my mutterings. I am certain that it was your indomitable sense of justice that resonated with the spirit of the first Azure Dragoon, prompting him to bestow the armor upon you. Yes, that is doubtless what happened.

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So it seem like the Drachen set modeled after the 1st Azure Dragoon.

If anything, maybe DRG AF2 is what higher ranking DRG wear? Or maybe AF2 won't be tied to job questsline?

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Originally Posted by myahele

Yeah, the Drachen armor is specially ordered and crafted; similar to Paladin's armor. Its been a while, but I don't know if the DRG quest giver gave you his old armor or had one specially created for the player

Gae Bolg was unique to a legendary Azure Dragoon(forgot the name) The design of her spear (aerodymics, etc.) was so successful in killing dragons that it's design became the basis of all dragoon spears.



I don't think so. In the final battle with Estinian, the DRG soul crystal resonated you the player character you briefly was shown wearing the full set.



So it seem like the Drachen set modeled after the 1st Azure Dragoon.

If anything, maybe DRG AF2 is what higher ranking DRG wear? Or maybe AF2 won't be tied to job questsline?

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I never said that the first azure dragoon didnt wear the AF, but there is a reason why there are AF2 on HW, my theory is that the DRG AF2 is what difference better an azure dragoon from a normal dragoon.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

I never said that the first azure dragoon didnt wear the AF, but there is a reason why there are AF2 on HW, my theory is that the DRG AF2 is what difference better an azure dragoon from a normal dragoon.

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That would make sense, but it also makes sense to assume that the armors design is related to the dragon we're taking out strengths from. It resembles more so that look and feel of the midgarsormer imo.

Then again, if it's really just armor crafted from fucking up any old dragon, then maybe its just armor from a stronger dragon the azure dragon himself killed that the others could not to get their armor?

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Originally Posted by Treble

That would make sense, but it also makes sense to assume that the armors design is related to the dragon we're taking out strengths from. It resembles more so that look and feel of the midgarsormer imo.

Then again, if it's really just armor crafted from fucking up any old dragon, then maybe its just armor from a stronger dragon the azure dragon himself killed that the others could not to get their armor?

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Hey, by that logic what if they made the AF2 armor out of Visharp's Corpse. lol

The way I've always seen it is as this:

You have the Ishgardian Dragoons, which every soldier seems to be called. Then you have your Elite Dragoons, They're the ones that utilize the jump attacks, wear the Drachen Mail, and, if earned, wield the Gae Bolg. It's a unique design, but if you recall to the relic quest, Gerolt makes a joke about why you don't just going up to the Holy See and have one made. They Gae Bolg is crafted for Dragoons that have distinguished themselves in the eyes of the Holy See in defense of Ishgard and Coerthas.

On top of all that, you have the Azure Dragoon. IGNORING the Warrior of Light hand-wave, he is the strongest of the Dragoons. My understanding is that the Dragonfire Dive is supposed to be an ultimate ability that only the Azure Dragoon knows.

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Originally Posted by Crescent_Dragoon

The way I've always seen it is as this:

You have the Ishgardian Dragoons, which every soldier seems to be called. Then you have your Elite Dragoons, They're the ones that utilize the jump attacks, wear the Drachen Mail, and, if earned, wield the Gae Bolg. It's a unique design, but if you recall to the relic quest, Gerolt makes a joke about why you don't just going up to the Holy See and have one made. They Gae Bolg is crafted for Dragoons that have distinguished themselves in the eyes of the Holy See in defense of Ishgard and Coerthas.

On top of all that, you have the Azure Dragoon. IGNORING the Warrior of Light hand-wave, he is the strongest of the Dragoons. My understanding is that the Dragonfire Dive is supposed to be an ultimate ability that only the Azure Dragoon knows.

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I would said that all dragoons jump