T9 and LB3

Hello, me and my FC mates just got up to T9 (yea, we are a bit late to the party, we know XD)

We can easily do the first 2 phases (we got 4 meteors drop).
But we don't have LB3 (or enough DPS, i think?) to skip the 3rd HF and/or the second Ghost!

Can you give some advices about that?

Our static composition is:
WAR, PLD (MT), 2 WHM (we are working on getting a SCH), 3 DRG, 1 BLM

We don't have the best group, i know, but most of my fc mates has only 1 job maxed out, so.. ^^'

Now, besides the fact that we should have a better "variety" of jobs, should we be good to go? (given the fact that we get 4 meteors for example).
Or we should just give up and go for a different group?

Thank you in advance for any response,
Have a safe journey :D

Make the mages spam sprint as much as they can to build LB.

Oh and ditch the off tank. If either the war or the pld can change to a dps that will make your life easier, if for some reason you can't, make the war wear dps accessories and stat up str. T9 is easily solo tanked, there is no reason to dual there at all.

Leave 2 melee on Nael full time. Put the WAR,one melee and the BLM on the ghost. You should only see one ghost. Or just LB2 Nael since the ghost melts.

Can your WAR switch to dps, or at least put STR accessories on and go full dps mode?

It can be cleared with just LB 2 on nael, you will see one ghost.

With current gear, you should be able to push into the next phase without needing an LB at all, especially with 3 DRGs in the party. What does everyone's ilvl look like?

If you do need an LB to push, though, a melee LB2 should be more than enough. LB Nael immediately after the supernovas go out during the second Heavensfall and you should be good.

Your group composition is absolutely doable DPS-wise. My only suggestion would be that you solo tank it, because that will add one more DPS to the mix. Four meteors is pretty good, though! If you can get four meteors, you can definitely skip the 2nd add.

Well guys, thank you for all the answers!

I've got to say that i don't get where is the problem then, if you all say that is doable like that, and even without LB... (we keep failing at that phase.. if we focus the Boss we get to phase 4 with an Add.. if we focus on killing adds we get to the third HF and we wipe)

The ilvl is really high, around 120 average.

I think we'll try to go for Solo Tank and see where we get

any other suggestion is welcome! :)

As other people have said, you only really need one or two DPS on the add to get it down. The others should stay on Nael and just keep DPsing her.

Also, since you have 3 DRGs, they will all have their full openers up once Nael drops back down after Megaflare. Make sure to take advantage of that-- I can get all the way through my opener to the second Heavy Thrust by the time the add shows up. This entire fight is very friendly to DRG rotations, so when they get comfortable with the mechanics, they should be able to do some very solid DPS.

A lot of it is honestly just getting comfortable with the fight. Your DPS in general will naturally go up as you get the mechanics down.

is pld picking up both adds, is war does not have dps class just have him dps during ghost phase as well if they arnt already. You can always caster lb 2 as well both, or melee lb ghost

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Originally Posted by mp-please

Make the mages spam sprint as much as they can to build LB.

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o.O

Is that confirmed?

yes it is.
every buff you activate does build a tiny amount of LB. It may seem insignificiant but if all casters utilize sprint frequently it can definitely make LB go faster.

Other than what others have mentioned above, maybe you should have 1 of the DRG or even 2 of them switch to another class.

Since quite a lot already, having repeated classes on your party hinders the LB build up. If you so much want to depend on that, you'll need to have a full varied party to manage an lb3 on that phase, considering echo and all.

All that aside, reaching a 3rd HF with 20% echo is really bad. So you should check the dps on your guys during that phase.

Just to add up only use LB2 melee after 2nd HF if Nael at 50% HP minimum else you most likely only get phasepush when 2nd ghost spawns.
Also did you think about using Potent Poisoning Potions? Helped my static also with the last bit DPS.
If healers are comfy as well they can put down Shadowflare and put some dots (just when she comes back down and during 2nd HF).
Oh and generally keep all bursts for Nael the Ghost is butter anyway.

If the LB2 is not working for your group with the echo and i120 range, then it sounds like positioning or DPS rotations are not optimal. With i120 and echo, you should really only see 3 meteors at most.

Otherwise, you can opt to slow DPS in phase 1 since it is by far the easiest and simply deal with 5 meteors to build up to LB3 and either melee LB3 Nael or Caster LB3 Nael and the First Ghost. If you do have to go this route, it would confirm that your classes are not pushing out as much DPS as they could be.

The SCH can also cleric stance and DPS nael while the fairy heals. The WHM should be able to time an AE medica or medica2 depending on what you feel comfortable with right as Heavensfall hits and knocks everyone back. The SCH can just lustrate if needed on MT in this phase but DPS otherwise.

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yes it is.
every buff you activate does build a tiny amount of LB. It may seem insignificiant but if all casters utilize sprint frequently it can definitely make LB go faster.

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It's for this reason that I will activate any other cooldowns I know won't be practically applied (Featherfoot and Keen Flurry especially) as soon as possible as well, while melee. Longer cooldowns than sprint, but that's still LB building materials just sitting there doing nothing otherwise.

3 drgs is doable, ran it the other day with 4 drg and a nin (5 melee fun times) the burst on nael was real

If you are pushing 4 meteors with three dragoons I have to question their dps rotations. Someone isn't pulling their weight.


That said, keep a dragoon on Nael full time when the ghost spawns. You don't need 4 dps to kill it.

You won't build the lb with your group comp but you don't need it. Just make sure someone is always on Nael.

How close is the add spawn and the push to phase 4? If it's all a matter of the timing of the LB, try having one of the dragoons stack with the tank and LB2-ing Nael right before heavensfall- after the add's aoe, but before heavensfall actually comes down. They'll be pushed out with the tank, but they should still be able to bait supernovas with no problem. Only use this with LB2 though, your dragoon will most likely die if they try it with LB3.

You can also build limit break by having the black mage stack with the tank during megaflare and manawall when Nael jumps on the tank. I've had groups use that before.

If you have to keep the WAR because they have no other jobs, still have the PLD pick up the ghost and Nael. I'm assuming your WAR is likely putting Defiance up and tanking the add (or worse in Defiance the whole fight). If either is the case, your WAR should never put Defiance up in this fight unless the PLD goes down and they have to pick up the boss.

I'll just come flat out and say it. No point in babying anyone if they are looking to clear hard content. DPS needs work. I would tell each DPS they need to just do some research and study up on rotations and how to optimize dps on their class. Does anyone in your static run a parser? It might be a weak link in the chain and you could identify that way and then help that specific person out or even direct him/her to me or anyone on these forums and we could give tips. Bottom line though is that in that gear with echo, you should not even be coming close to having that problem. My group was pushing with only one heavensfall in i110 when echo first came out and T9 was put in DF to farm. Truly not trying to sound like an elitist, just being straight up with you. If you're group is serious about progression, they just need to work on it and get alot bette

As Garotte suggests, the time to improve rotations and overall DPS uptime is now. If DPS is a struggle in T9, it will be even harder in T10+ since all FCOB fights incorporate timed mechanics that punish groups badly for low DPS.

You'll need to identify who is struggling and with what if you haven't already, or the group will not progress. Hopefully everyone shares the desire to improve and will be willing to act on constructive criticism.

Sorry about my absence, got busy lately!

Anyway thanks to all the suggestions in the end we cleared it, and we cleared T10 too