Is it just me or does hollowed ground require a second or a third press of the button to activate? Never had this problem with any other move, also have a new keyboard and seems pretty accurate. Occurs in any fight or anytime when it is immediatly needed, will have to press 2 to 3 times to activate when its needed in emergency. Anyone else seen this happen?????? :confused::confused::confused:
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05-07-2015, 10:40 AMMastanightHollowed Ground
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05-07-2015, 11:32 AMLothar808
Pressing it once is usually enough. The problem comes from animation lock. If you are currently in a animation, Hallowed usually wont go off until that animation is done. Also, even if Hallowed does go off, it roughly doesn't take effect until the animation for it actually finishes. So a lot of the times you will press Hollowed and still get hit 1-3 times before you actually become invulnerable. Worst case, you pop Hallowed and it doesn't save you, you die, yet the cool down is still active.
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05-07-2015, 05:55 PMCasper
Yes, it comes down to the super long delay between when you press the button, and when it takes effect; in the case of hallowed ground, i think there is about 1.5 seconds between the two.
Hallowed ground is an extremely powerful ability, one of the most powerful in the game, truly, but it is a tactical nuke, not a panic button. Best uses are more often than not planned in advance to completely trivialize some part of the fight; used in emergency, it is is quite ineffective most times. -
05-07-2015, 08:46 PMMythToken
At least it isn't holmgang...
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05-07-2015, 09:50 PMBrightsayge
its just you
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05-07-2015, 10:31 PMRhajaOn the otherhand, every time I get Holmgang just right I feel like a ****ing legend. Hallowed Ground just makes me want to play benny hill XD.Quote:
Originally Posted by MythToken
Bout to fall off from a Levi slam, nail that holmgang, and for just a fraction you see fear in it's eyes. Pop Tempered Will and he just looks at you like a dick. -
05-07-2015, 10:46 PMCasperHolmgang is super usefull and completely misunderstood by the vast majority of the tanks that could use it. It really doesn't deserve the bad rep it is getting. It requires coordination and communication with your healers, but it is a tool with a 3 min CD that allows you to survive any tank buster, more or less. Yeah, it is nowhere near as usefull as hallowed ground, for sure, but that is not because holmgang is a bad ability, it's because hallowed ground is completely broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by MythToken
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05-07-2015, 11:12 PMkarateorangutang
I'd agree that hallowed is very powerful. To balance that you need to use it as planned not as a reaction. The animation is long enough that you can easily die before the invulnerability pops.
I don't know that I would call it broken though. Its not instant, lasts 10 seconds, and has a fairly long cooldown timer (5 minutes).
I'm not complaining at all cause its awesome, but i don't know that I would call it broken. -
05-07-2015, 11:42 PMMastanight
Well, I understand the delay of taking effect, but my point is more about knowing if its ever been pressed at all. Even though it's not effective instantly, it would be more helpful if I felt it was working at all, instead of after the delay. Being a action not used often (hardly ever for me) I have not noticed this with any other's except HG. For me it is only used if I know there is no hope to survive, which is usually very quick.
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05-07-2015, 11:55 PMCasperQuote:
Originally Posted by Mastanight
That's the thing though. This is the wrong use of the skill. While it would seem that this is the best use, it is not, because of this delay.
What it is usefull for instead, is when you know that a part of the fight is difficult due to damage and healing, you plan for it and use it, and transform this hard part into a very easy part. It can completely change the face of an encounter and allow your group to progress much faster and much more consistently. -
05-08-2015, 12:00 AMkarateorangutang^ ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by Casper
HG is best used when you know a large hit is coming, you know your gonna be in trouble soon ( long pulls), or the healer needs some time to catch up. -
05-09-2015, 04:01 AMArkenneI gotta completely agree with this thought! I have only used it once on reflex at Vishap and totally ate 2 certain kill AoEs and came out alive! D:Quote:
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05-09-2015, 04:27 AMSpookyGhostYeah, that's the main "problem" with Holmgang - Hallowed is just flat out better. That doesn't mean Holmgang is bad in any regard, just not as good as Hallowed. It also requires coordination and an external resource from healers, whether it be Bene, Lustrates (Aetherflow stacks), or just MP. Hallowed on the other hand... costs nothing. ):Quote:
Originally Posted by Casper
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05-09-2015, 04:39 AMwhiskeybravoYou don't have it in a macro, do you? Macros can mess with abilities going off, even something as simple as a provoke macro will fail occasionally. I've done away with most all macros because of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mastanight
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05-09-2015, 06:06 AMAnubis_Nephthys
IT'S HALLOWED!
HALLOW
From dictionary.com:
1. to make holy; sanctify; consecrate.
2. to honor as holy; consider sacred; venerate
hAllowed ground makes perfect sense for a Paladin
hOllowed ground makes no sense...
It's MORE understandable when people verbally say it wrong, but to think you TYPED it wrong...
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05-09-2015, 06:57 AMDxWings
Would usually never use Hallowed Ground =< 1k HP threshold. It just won't make it half of the time.
I actually ended up using Hallowed Ground alot in dungeons doing big pulls at the start.
If I didn't, and we're in the middle of a pull, I'm down about to half of my health and see my healer in cleric stance, my HG is ready to be activated any second I drop below half, usually.
Other than that, I rarely use this skill as a panic button. Like others have said, its usually "planned" to negate damage from certain parts of a fight. -
05-09-2015, 01:10 PMCarstien
I actually prefer holmgang to hallowed ground. It's an ability that can be used twice to every hallowed, with change. It prevents death just as well, and with good healers is almost as viable in its own right without getting double uses.
And the dirty little secret...it can cancel abilities you cannot silence or stun. Easy example is the add on leviathan extreme. Immune to silence and one of its spells has complete stun immunity and a very high wipe rate if it goes off. Holmgang will stop that cast, where no Paladin ever could. -
05-09-2015, 02:04 PMAlistaireMaybe he takes no damage cause he's hiding in a hole in the ground? I could see that taking longer to activate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anubis_Nephthys
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05-09-2015, 08:09 PMoph
Learned how to not trust my HP when casting Hallowed Ground, the unpredictability of the cast (cast clipping) and filmsy animation just asks to be button mashed for maximum effectiveness.
Situations that call for HG:
- Most common: Hard hitting pulls that get you roughly around 40% or less HP when you have enmity.
- Fight is intense, DPS dies, Healer has no swiftcast available and goes for full cast raise.
- Boss is nearly dead, Healer dies, DPS are up.
- Boss has 3.7% HP left, everyone dies. Be a hero.
- Final dungeon boss is nearly dead and party has full HP, can't let it go to waste. -
05-09-2015, 08:43 PMSpookyGhostHollowed Ground?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alistaire