Dungeon Boss Achievements

I always loved the dungeon boss-specific achievements from World of Warcraft, as I thought they added additional, completely optional challenges to dungeons for completing them in interesting ways or by handling additional difficulties through the boss fight.

I think incorporating these to boss fights through FFXIV's dungeons would allow for some great replay value for dungeons, as well as something for small groups to challenge if for nothing more than an achievement and personal satisfaction.

I came up with a few example achievements for a few current dungeon bosses:

Penalty Box
Sunken Temple of Qarn (Hard)
Defeat Vicegerent To The Warden after transforming each of your party members into a mummy at least once.

Out of Sight...
Amdapor Keep
Defeat Anantaboga without any party member being hit by Imminent Catastrophe.

Stop... Zombie time!
Pharos Sirius
Defeat Siren without allowing her Zombie Storm Sergeants to grab their targets.

Drawing a Bead
Brayflox Longstop (Hard)
Defeat Gobmachine G-VI without killing any Illuminati Snipers.

Demons, Orbs, and Doors! Oh My!
Lost City of Amdapor
Defeat Diabolos without any party member being hit by exploding orbs.

Some are easier than others, so you might see one while queing via duty finder, while others would need to be sought by perhaps forming your own group beforehand.

What do you think?

I dislike any achievement that relies on the specific behavior of other players.

But that's just me.

I think it is a great idea! I enjoyed this as well in WoW and would break the monotony of Run Y X Times.

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Originally Posted by Bombast

I dislike any achievement that relies on the specific behavior of other players.

But that's just me.

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That's perfectly reasonable, which is why they would be completely optional. If you had the desire to try for them it would be an extra challenge, but you wouldn't miss anything if you didn't.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

I think it is a great idea! I enjoyed this as well in WoW and would break the monotony of Run Y X Times.

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Me too! Some of the FFXIV achievements feels uninspired or too far out of reach (I.e. Run 500 X, or Win 1000 Y), so I these would add fun and interesting twists on encounters people have seen numerous times. You can always tackle them later with little downside other that desire of additional challenges.

I tried to come up with the examples posted above which would require coordination from all party members in some form or another, and tried to avoid things which only resulted in Healers having to heal more. For example: In the Diabolos encounter, he places orbs on a random player which don't explode immediately, so each player's positioning becomes extremely important as you need to be aware of their location AND you wouldn't want to have them accidentally placed in front of doors you also need to open.

Thanks for the interesting achievement ideas! I can't make any promises that we'll be able to add the achievements listed here, but we'll be adding a bunch of different achievements in Heavensward, so please stay tuned!

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Originally Posted by Bombast

I dislike any achievement that relies on the specific behavior of other players.

But that's just me.

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I like it. It adds a luck factor into it, being that you may not get players that can perform the mechanic in the way you want, while at the same time not being completely out of your control on some RNG thing happening.

I've always been craving those. There are just not enough to do in the dungeons nowadays. Rift had great ones. I'd love to get challenges like they have added to Record Keeper game on the phone.

I like the idea but you need to consider that by having these kinds of achievements you will create two groups of players in dungeons; players that already have the achievement and those that don't.

This will create situations similar to what happens when someone is running a dungeon for story and wants to watch all the cutscenes. Some people will try to do the achievement objectives which may or may not be risky and jeopardize the party. This will inevitably create conflict with someone in the party who just wants a fast clear for roulette or just doesn't need the achievement and just sees the achievement objectives as a nuisance.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

...would break the monotony of Run Y X Times.

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Yeah that would definitely make some of the farming in this game more bearable.

Coming from DCUO i'd really love this.

In DCUO there was lot of achievements to get and some were really fun to do and they were like what OP is suggesting.

The only difference is that achievements ( feats ) were a major part of the game since every 100 feats points gave you a skill point.
( id love to have this on FFXIV too with attribute points as a reward )

How to make dungeons re playable & enjoyable for players already cleared it WITHOUT having to bombared it with some kind of rng drop.
- card drops
- relic quest drops
- some kind of loot at the last treasure chest ( glamour pieces )

Its like savage coil, is harder and yields no reward except bragging rights ( title ) and self satisfaction.

Really good idea for 3.0 and beyond dungeon achievements.

But only problem is tht some ppl would try and wipe the party cuz they want to get the achievement.
I.e goal is to not get hit by any AoE the whole fight
Everyone is dodging till player 1 trips up and gets hit at 40%hp boss. Player 3 then goes wtf and wipes group with mechanic etc.
Player 1,2 & 4 go wtf man and player 3 replies with wtf can u dodge plz so we can get achievement. Then whole party starts arguing then bam player 3 gets kicked from df party.
If ppl can automatically assume to speed run brayflox hm then ofc u'll eventually bump into these ppl.

There were a couple of these for dungeons in 1.0. I agree that some of the examples you gave would cause tension/stress among party members in a Duty Finder pugged instance, as Yumi Umi pointed out. Hence, I think the design of these achievements has to be extremely careful to encourage pro-social player behavior.

The 1.0 dungeon achievements actually are a fairly good example of this. "Making the Cut: Defeat the chimera and open all five treasure coffers in Cutter's Cry." The achievement is an optional objective, certainly, but fulfilling its requirements feeds back into the behavior that most players would like to encourage (i.e. getting more loot). If I recall correctly, the other Cutter's Cry achievement, "Big Ants Don't Cry: Clear Cutter's Cry while remaining with your party and defeating the Myrmidon Marshal." was a subrequirement to make all 5 treasure coffers spawn in the instance.

In Brayflox's Longstop (normal mode), there are optional objectives after the first boss where you save some goblins from attacking mobs and if you defeat the monsters before the goblin dies, you are rewarded with an extra chest. If you successfully save all of the goblins, the final chest before the last boss contains a unique class-specific ring (instead of potions). Unfortunately, none of this is surfaced to the players so most people don't know the requirements or how to do it. If there was an achievement tied to it, that would help inform the player of the hidden objective, as well as reward the player for attempting to achieve it.

aslong as they implement rewards for reaching certain achivement point scores :P

wicth a special reward in the key (mount, glamour, title and etc) i said why not

I like your idea but I would personally make these achievements relying only on your own performance, not on performance of others.

I suggest this for 2 obvious reasons. Firstly, we are meeting lots of elitism already and this would make the problem even bigger. Secondly, I am an elitist and I rather rely on my own skills than on my luck of meeting other people able to perform good enough to actually finish such challenges. :o

Make it so that these achievements are only available in PF runs, problem solved. FFXIV really, really, REALLY needs better achievements, and dungeon bosses are a great place to start.

Think the definition is more towards, achievements only possible in pre-made group, same as the freedom of role selection. While I admit PF causes pre-made groups, there are other ways to form them as well, FC runs coming first to mind.

I think giving groups from DF an objective to work for beyond 'Lets get this the hell over with so we never have to see each other ever again' is a good thing, so why restrict it to PF. If someone can't get it with a DF group, at least PF /FC is an option. Right now the rare minions that drop at the end of dungeons like Baby Opo Opo only drop based on a tiny percent chance. All the times I used to run it, the dungeon only decided to award it once (and even it went to the most toxic person there lol but that's another story). What if a random mechanic popped up in a percentage of final boss battles... like 1 out of 5 times near the end of the final boss encounter when it's too late to wipe it, that Opo Opo goes scurrying across the floor, and someone has to interact with it to catch it... and as long as someone gets it, then everyone gets the new achievement, and there is a much higher drop rate for the minion vs. than the abysmal rate there is now. The mechanic would be frequent enough people would watch for it and hope for it, but rare enough that the rarity of the minion wouldn't take too big of a hit- like a 1/5 chance for special mechanic at the end, with a 50% chance for minion drop if it succeeds, means it still only drops one time out of 10 runs and only one player gets it... but it feels less at the whim of a cold uncaring RNG system.

Regardless of giving people something else to do, in DF environment there is still always those who don't either care about achievements at all or have done it already and don't want to be bothered. The dungeon map achievement alone already can cause friction in locations with 'optional' rooms included into the ach. That can lead, as someone pointed out, to destructive behavior from those who want it, or opressing behaviour from those who don't. If it's already hard enough to get some groups agree on speedrun vs. full clear, adding optional objectives to DF environment doesn't exactly help the situation.