Relic in 3.0

Hi, so after Nico Nico Live Event Yoshida shared information about relics :
1 The new classes (Dark Knight, Machinist and Astrologian) will not have Relic weapons, but will have weapons from primals
2 For people who already have zodiac relic weapons - special content is coming!
3 New relic weapons will be added with new raid for 24ppl in 3.1 Patch!

So what do you think about this? Share your thoughts in comments!:)

Not really new information there.

Not doing zodiac weapons for the new jobs wasn't confirmed until now but it was pretty obvious. I am glad they're giving them primal weapons though. I'm picturing the AST Garuda one as a big spinning ball of feathers.

I smell Save the Queen for DRK because you know...

Story part

I wish they'd tell us more.. im working on all 10 of them right now... should I stop and have a VERY easy time in 3.0 or keep going?

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Originally Posted by Alanto

So what do you think about this? Share your thoughts in comments!:)

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I think I wasted a lot of time and gil on my 3 zodiacs

I don't think I wasted any time or gil.
I mean. If I started one right now, then yes possibly, because I know I won't be able to finish another one before HW comes out. But my bow? I've had it for a month and I will still have it until HW comes out; having the best weapon in the game for that long isn't too bad.

So no I don't think it's a waste. (I also think the Yoichi Bow Zeta is gorgeous but apparently I'm alone with this though so whatever)

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

I think I wasted a lot of time and gil on my 3 zodiacs

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Are your zodiac weapons somehow nonfunctional right now? Because that would be a bug.

The reason of doing the current relic weapon is that it can be upgraded again and again as things progress.

I understand if the earlier steps getting nerfed and making it easier to obtain... but for the whole process to be cast aside for a relic in 3.0 is just a bit disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

The reason of doing the current relic weapon is that it can be upgraded again and again as things progress.

I understand if the earlier steps getting nerfed and making it easier to obtain... but for the whole process to be cast aside for a relic in 3.0 is just a bit disappointing.

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Far worse would be three expansions from now when the 2.x relic would be mathematically best in slot for certain classes for some reason.

It's perfectly fine for the relic-type weapons to be scope-limited.

You have your trophies. You'll build a new one in 3.1 (perhaps several). And you get a leg up for having zeta weapons now.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

Far worse would be three expansions from now when the 2.x relic would be mathematically best in slot for certain classes for some reason.

It's perfectly fine for the relic-type weapons to be scope-limited.

You have your trophies. You'll build a new one in 3.1 (perhaps several). And you get a leg up for having zeta weapons now.

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You seem to be misinterpreting that I want a 2.x relic to be best.

Rather I want them to continue the relic quest chain, with more upgrades - nerfing earlier steps so its easier for new players and old players to catch up - instead of throwing the whole quest chain in the garbage.

Much like relics in FFXI started when the game was level 75 - can be upgraded to 99 and extended with whatever ilvl system they have now.

Tecnicly guys, the new relics comes on 3.0. What comes on 3.1 is the upgrade relic, on where we will see the "continuation" of the Zetas.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

You seem to be misinterpreting that I want a 2.x relic to be best.

Rather I want them to continue the relic quest chain, with more upgrades - nerfing earlier steps so its easier for new players and old players to catch up - instead of throwing the whole quest chain in the garbage.

Much like relics in FFXI started when the game was level 75 - can be upgraded to 99 and extended with whatever ilvl system they have now.

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In FFXI, the dev team had made the explicit promise that the relic would always be the best weapon. And that made some kind of sense considering it would take years, dozens of people, and bazillions of gil to make one.

In FFXIV this is not the case. You can currently build a relic in a day. You can take that relic and upgrade it to Zeta in about 2 months. Costs about 4m gil depending on server economy. These are not equivalent.

The zeta relic served me well here. And it'll serve me well as a leveling weapon. But continuing that weapon across expansions creates dangerous possibilities in this kind of game.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Tecnicly guys, the new relics comes on 3.0. What comes on 3.1 is the upgrade relic, on where we will see the "continuation" of the Zetas.

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That is just your wishful thinking lol

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

That is just your wishful thinking lol

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Nop is not, you didnt notice all those weapons that were with those characters on the af2 video? And im aware that is not a continuation, that we may have an advantaje. Thats why I said continuation with " " .

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Nop is not, you didnt notice all those weapons that were with those characters on the af2 video? And im aware that is not a continuation, that we may have an advantaje. Thats why I said continuation with " " .

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There has been no mention at all that 3.1 will see the continued progress of the Zodiac weapons aka our Zetas.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

There has been no mention at all that 3.1 will see the continued progress of the Zodiac weapons aka our Zetas.

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In fact Yoshi P has explicitly stated that we will NOT be continuing our existing zeta weapons beyond the 2.x series. 3.1 will start an entirely different weapon for us to grow over the course of the expansion. Having a zeta weapon will provide some unspecified advantage to this new weapon.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

In fact Yoshi P has explicitly stated that we will NOT be continuing our existing zeta weapons beyond the 2.x series. 3.1 will start an entirely different weapon for us to grow over the course of the expansion. Having a zeta weapon will provide some unspecified advantage to this new weapon.

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I'm aware lol. Was telling Frederick that.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

I'm aware lol. Was telling Frederick that.

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And Like I said im totally aware of that either. On 3.0 we will have our new relics, on 3.1 is gonna be the upgrade of those relics and the Zeta will give some kind of advantaje lol. I said this like 3 times already hahaha.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

And Like I said im totally aware of that either. On 3.0 we will have our new relics, on 3.1 is gonna be the upgrade of those relics and the Zeta will give some kind of advantaje lol. I said this like 3 times already hahaha.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Tecnicly guys, the new relics comes on 3.0. What comes on 3.1 is the upgrade relic, on where we will see the "continuation" of the Zetas.

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You should have worded your original post to reflect that then rather than defend that you know afterwards. Your original post makes no mention of acknowledging it is simply a unspecified special content, instead you mention "continuation". ;)

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

You should have worded your original post to reflect that then rather than defend that you know afterwards. Your original post makes no mention of acknowledging it is simply a unspecified special content, instead you mention "continuation". ;)

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I saw lots of coments that were saing that the new relics are going to come on 3.1 and that is wrong. Thats why I say "the relics comes on 3.0" and of what they were meaning was about the upgrade of those relics that comes on 3.1
Is on 3.1 where we will have this advantaje if we have our old relic zeta. I said "cointinuation" with "" beacuse is not really a continuation, is just an short advantaje.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

I saw lots of coments that were saing that the new relics are going to come on 3.1 and that is wrong. Thats why I say "the relics comes on 3.0" and that of what they were meaning is about the upgrade of those relics that comes on 3.1
Is on 3.1 is where we will have this advantaje if we have our old relic zeta. I said "cointinuation" with "" beacuse is not really a continuation, is just an short advantaje.

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Source please? Because unless something super recently was said, all other interviews/sources say 3.1 is when the new relic line is being started, not in 3.0

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Originally Posted by Yamimarik

Source please? Because unless something super recently was said, all other interviews/sources say 3.1 is when the new relic line is being started, not in 3.0

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Again, on the benchmark video, on the AF2 video. Did anyone notice the weapons that the characters had ? Those are the new relic weapons.
3.1 will be the continuation of this new relics.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

I saw lots of comments that were saying that the new relics are going to come on 3.1 and that is wrong. Thats why I say "the relics comes on 3.0" and of what they were meaning was about the upgrade of those relics that comes on 3.1
Is on 3.1 where we will have this advantage if we have our old relic zeta. I said "continuation" with "" because is not really a continuation, is just an short advantage.

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The new HW relics are coming out in 3.1. Unless you have super secret information that says otherwise.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

The new HW relics are coming out in 3.1. Unless you have super secret information that says otherwise.

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Please watch the benchmark video and the af2 video, how many times do I have to say this.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Please watch the benchmark video and the af2 video, how many times do I have to say this.

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Please understand that it doesn't mean what you think it does.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Please understand that it doesn't mean what you think it does.

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I'm not here to debate, im not gonna say more.

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Originally Posted by Kalandros

I wish they'd tell us more.. im working on all 10 of them right now... should I stop and have a VERY easy time in 3.0 or keep going?

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My guess is that in 3.1 we could still come back and start these 2.0 relics from scratch and progress through to Zeta, then do the "special content". It's most likely going to be a flag-based system where having any one zeta gives access to that content, and you get to select which Zeta you want to use to start that content, like how we would pick which Zenith we want to turn into Atma.

Well, all guesses anyway.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Again, on the benchmark video, on the AF2 video. Did anyone notice the weapons that the characters had ? Those are the new relic weapons.
3.1 will be the continuation of this new relics.

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So you don't have a source then? Please stop spreading false information then.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

I'm not here to debate, im not gonna say more.

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Fair enough. Nothing much to debate when your source is the benchmark video.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Again, on the benchmark video, on the AF2 video. Did anyone notice the weapons that the characters had ? Those are the new relic weapons.
3.1 will be the continuation of this new relics.

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They could simply be "base weapons", or what we used to call the "pre-relic". That would fit both your explanation and others' where the weapon technically isn't a relic, just the base weapons on which the relics are built, and in 3.1 they become the relic for the first time.

And there's also one possibility: that they are indeed the new relics, but we aren't getting them in 3.0 anyway. They just exist in the benchmark for us to drool over. ;-)

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Originally Posted by Zfz

They could simply be "base weapons", or what we used to call the "pre-relic". That would fit both your explanation and others' where the weapon technically isn't a relic, just the base weapons on which the relics are built, and in 3.1 they become the relic for the first time.

And there's also one possibility: that they are indeed the new relics, but we aren't getting them in 3.0 anyway. They just exist in the benchmark for us to drool over. ;-)

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That is more logic. and I totally open to the posibility that might be that what will happen
But im curious, why showing on the 2 videos, weapons that arent going to release until 3.1? Its like the Curtana, Thyrus, Bravura, etc instead of being realised on 2.0, would it be on 2.1

I guess we can only wait and see what happens.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

In FFXI, the dev team had made the explicit promise that the relic would always be the best weapon. And that made some kind of sense considering it would take years, dozens of people, and bazillions of gil to make one.

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Don't forget they introduced Mythic weapons in ToA and were for most, on parwith relic weapons. Then they made Emp weapons with abyssea that went to I level 99 and outclassed relics and mythic. Leaving aegis and the bow the most reliable relics to have at 75. Eventually adding Magian quests to grind them up to 99 and laiter Adoulins smith npc in Jueno. But those were different combat mechanics for a different game.

In terms of lore, Zodiac seems to be a foreign mythos brought and reclaimed in Eorzea using the rebuilt Relics as a base form. That said it would make sense if other regions and continents had their own legendary artifacts. Just look at that Great Katana Gilgamesh has. It had to come from somewhere. Ultimately I'm going to do a bunch of relics only in the off chance they pull a Magian Trial or Adoulin upgrade at some point.

I'm pleased that they gonna be doing something about the current zodiacs (having 3 zodiacs) this actually takes a big weight out of my shoulders. I would of been really annoyed if they decided to just dump the old relics completely. Can't wait to see what's next!

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Originally Posted by Kotemon

Don't forget they introduced Mythic weapons in ToA and were for most, on parwith relic weapons. Then they made Emp weapons with abyssea that went to I level 99 and outclassed relics and mythic. Leaving aegis and the bow the most reliable relics to have at 75. Eventually adding Magian quests to grind them up to 99 and laiter Adoulins smith npc in Jueno. But those were different combat mechanics for a different game.

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Mythics were pretty bad actually until after the merit WS updates where they became pretty awesome. (Koga+shoha,Ryu+stardiver,Conq+Upheaval etc)

Relics ruled the 75 cap. Emps ruled the 90 cap. Mythics took over after that, especially when Mythics could spam emp WSs. There were a few exceptions, like Gun/Bow,Horn,both shields etc.

you guys all make valid points. For players who started late (like myself 3-4 months in) I feel the relic quest is a waste of time (even though Im trying to get my MNK relic). especially when getting your crafting classes up and ready (and other classes relevant to you) to 50, so that when 3.0 hits, we can bring them up to 60. Im constantly arguing with myself on what time to spend where: get my poetics, level up needed classes, clear Coils....all for 3.0.

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Originally Posted by Voltron_HD

you guys all make valid points. For players who started late (like myself 3-4 months in) I feel the relic quest is a waste of time (even though Im trying to get my MNK relic). especially when getting your crafting classes up and ready (and other classes relevant to you) to 50, so that when 3.0 hits, we can bring them up to 60. Im constantly arguing with myself on what time to spend where: get my poetics, level up needed classes, clear Coils....all for 3.0.

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The best things you can do to prepare for HW right now (for someone who hasn't been playing this entire time) is to level to 50 any class you intend to bring to 60 right away, level up as many crafts as you can to 50 for cross-class skills (don't worry about master crafting), and horde gil like it's going out of style.

Poetics are only relevant for current content and giving you an edge in leveling up in HW. Nice to have, but you can just collect them incidentally (do an expert a day and you'll cap over a week).

Coils are irrelevant. You don't need a T13 clear to start Alexander raiding. That being said, finding a static for 3.0 content NOW is probably a good idea.

I recommend stockpiling gil, grand company seals, and ventures for the expansion. Of all the currencies in the game, these three are the most likely to remain important going forward.

LOL @ all your hard works for the Zeta will go down the toilet since the new relic will start at i150 or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

LOL @ all your hard works for the Zeta will go down the toilet since the new relic will start at i150 or whatever.

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and...? makes absolutely no difference to start a new one or upgrading the old one...

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Originally Posted by Evangela

LOL @ all your hard works for the Zeta will go down the toilet since the new relic will start at i150 or whatever.

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Until they announce that to upgrade it requires the corresponding Zeta, or a rare drop from the new 3.1 Dynamis zone and a pile of TV materia.