Lip colors

I've been quite confused about this ever since launch, but with Heavensward on the horizon and now having the DX11 benchmark/creator to play with... It's still so weird I have to bring it up.

How exactly do lip colors work???

Some look like poor quality, badly done Paint jobs (as in actually made in Paint). Some have virtually no difference between their light and dark options, while some totally pop in one and practically vanish in the other. Some are not visible at all, either in dark or in light setting. And some go from popping, bad Paint jobs to invisible, as you go through from light to dark shades. While some seem to behave completely differently depending on skin color. All the while seemingly most, if not all, of them manage to retain their "lipgloss" quality, making the lips shiny, regardless of coloration.

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Of course I tinkered with Au Ra here, but from what I remember, this is the same across all races. And mind you, even face paints seem to behave oddly like this, at the very least in this particular character creator. I really don't understand what's been going on here, but seeing how DX11 still retains the ... weird mess, I'd just like know. What's up with these?? Why can't (wouldn't?) it be fixed?

I think lip coloring should be done away with honestly to open up more options elsewhere with character customization. So many better alternatives.

Hey now. I think it's a nice option to have to let us diversify our characters that much more.

That said, I noticed when I was making a Male Au Ra in the benchmark that there were some mouths that lip color just didn't show up even when you used the Dark option with Black color, and this is with a light skinned character.

I'm not sure if it's some bug or whatnot, but I don't think I ever had any issues with lip color not working with any of the original races when I was making my main and making alts.

I just assumed it was something specific to Au Ra. I was trying out different lip colours on the females, and all of them ended up looking kind of grey. On my elezen the lips look actually red, but you can't get that on Au Ra. I assume it's a combination of original skin colour + the lipstick that decides the result.

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Originally Posted by Chibilidawg

I think lip coloring should be done away with honestly to open up more options elsewhere with character customization. So many better alternatives.

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get rid of an option...to open up more options.
Explain your thinking, show your work, or no credit :D

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Originally Posted by kyuven

get rid of an option...to open up more options.
Explain your thinking, show your work, or no credit :D

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Example: Beard(s) separate from "Facial Features." Or moustaches & the like. Or sideburn options.

For Au Ra, it could've been horn or scale color. For Mi'qote, skin patterns (e.g. leopard).

Already a few far greater options I've listed.

For ladies it could be like additional adornment options like headbands & the like.

Or choosing a style of bangs or no bangs instead of always being forced one way or another.

Honestly though, we just need better/more customization options in general.

Like swapping which color is the dominant in highlighted hair, more beards, more tattoos that aren't cutesy butterflies & such, body tats, better muscle sliders, all facial features available to all faces (esp. for Au Ra), & so on.

Maybe for Au Ra, but not all races. Lip colours look GOOD on some races.

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Originally Posted by Chibilidawg

Example: Beard(s) separate from "Facial Features." Or moustaches & the like. Or sideburn options.

For Au Ra, it could've been horn or scale color. For Mi'qote, skin patterns (e.g. leopard).

Already a few far greater options I've listed.

For ladies it could be like additional adornment options like headbands & the like.

Or choosing a style of bangs or no bangs instead of always being forced one way or another.

Honestly though, we just need better/more customization options in general.

Like swapping which color is the dominant in highlighted hair, more beards, more tattoos that aren't cutesy butterflies & such, body tats, better muscle sliders, all facial features available to all faces (esp. for Au Ra), & so on.

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so how would REMOVING lip color enable these things?

My biggest complaint with lip colors is that there's no RED option. I've honestly been trying to figure out exactly WHY there's no red color option for lips.

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

My biggest complaint with lip colors is that there's no RED option. I've honestly been trying to figure out exactly WHY there's no red color option for lips.

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There's no real red for hair either, only in the highlights. Main colours are just...some off-shade, lighter or darker, but always mixed with other neighbouring colors on the map. :/


And YIKES, for gods' sake, do not even talk about removing lip colors. It's bad enough that regular makeup is grouped together with facepaints (ie tattoos), so you either wear one or the other. @_@

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Originally Posted by Chibilidawg

Example: Beard(s) separate from "Facial Features." Or moustaches & the like. Or sideburn options.

For Au Ra, it could've been horn or scale color. For Mi'qote, skin patterns (e.g. leopard).

Already a few far greater options I've listed.

For ladies it could be like additional adornment options like headbands & the like.

Or choosing a style of bangs or no bangs instead of always being forced one way or another.

Honestly though, we just need better/more customization options in general.

Like swapping which color is the dominant in highlighted hair, more beards, more tattoos that aren't cutesy butterflies & such, body tats, better muscle sliders, all facial features available to all faces (esp. for Au Ra), & so on.

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I wouldn't lose my lipstick for any of those options, I would feel naked without it. In addition to lip colours yes but not instead of.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

There's no real red for hair either, only in the highlights. Main colours are just...some off-shade, lighter or darker, but always mixed with other neighbouring colors on the map. :/


And YIKES, for gods' sake, do not even talk about removing lip colors. It's bad enough that regular makeup is grouped together with facepaints (ie tattoos), so you either wear one or the other. @_@

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Well they are kind of the same thing...:p
Wouldnt mind some actual nice looking facepaint/make up options tho.


While I can understand some enjoy having options for lipcoloring, imo lipcoloring nearly always detracts from the portrait.
It's real hard to fit a different color at the place/shape of the lips tbh.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Well they are kind of the same thing...:p

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Actually, no. Eyeshadow, lip color, blush(/"concealer") - those should be a separate makeup category. Then there are things like the star, the heart, the chiclet, etc - those are more like tattoos. And then the tribal-like motifs, stripes across the face, and the like - those are actual facepaints. I know I'm nitpicking here, but I can't see why pieces of these three categories couldn't be applied all at once (obviously way to easy to badly overdo, but that's a different subject).

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

Actually, no. Eyeshadow, lip color, blush(/"concealer") - those should be a separate makeup category. Then there are things like the star, the heart, the chiclet, etc - those are more like tattoos. And then the tribal-like motifs, stripes across the face, and the like - those are actual facepaints. I know I'm nitpicking here, but I can't see why pieces of these three categories couldn't be applied all at once (obviously way to easy to badly overdo, but that's a different subject).

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They are all ''make up'' or ''face paint'' (applied to your face). IE: same thing.

What your asking for should rather be a more extensive customization of above that allows you to apply combinations of whatever.

I play a lala. my lips are like a single pixel, ain't nobody gonna see what colour they are.

It also depends on the lighting, I've found. Rotate the background so that your character's face is on the light source, and you can see the differences on the female models a lot better. For the Au Ra, the colors don't seem to be as drastic as they were on Mi'quote though, and it seems only the female models get actual lip stick.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

All the while seemingly most, if not all, of them manage to retain their "lipgloss" quality, making the lips shiny, regardless of coloration.

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This is what I don't like about lip colors as is. Light or dark, doesn't matter all of them are glossy. What if my character is more of a lipstick fan than a lipgloss fan? I would love to be able to change lip colors without the glossy sheen.

agree with this 100%. I def would like to see more variation in color, at least. and red? YES PLEASE, I want red dammit.

Yeah I wish we could have red color for lips! I also wish face paint wasn’t mixed with makeup; I’ve wanted to do a geisha type makeup style, where my characters face is white, and have pure red lips, but it’s not possible because of the lip color. ;A;

The lip coloring does leave much to be desired. As others have stated, on some races it's quite easy to find a shade that will work and doesn't look completely horrible. Others not so much. Also, I can't quite pinpoint it, but at times it just slapped some paint on the mouth. The lip line looks really bad. :(

Also, WTB matte lip colors.

I just want to be able to have darker lip colors for my hyur, they all look washed out and barely visible while miqo'te get the dark lip colors, it doesn't seem fair. Been wanting this to change forever.

I'd definitely be for an actual red colour of lips. There is none, all are either brown-ish or just weird shade altogether :(

Oh my, such an old thread!

And nothing has changed since it got started two years ago...

While the colors could be better, I think they are at least ok. But I would also really like a non-glossy version of the lip colors. The glossy lips can look good, especially on some female characters. But it just looks too much like lip gloss, especially on males. I personally don't like the lip gloss for male characters at all, so I would really, really love to be able to use lip colors WITHOUT the shine.

Have you ever seen your character in lighting like Ifrit's battle arena? Too much lip gloss, even on females. So if you don't want lip gloss on your male character, you're forced to have no lip color at all, which also isn't very realistic, because lips just aren't the same color as the skin around them.

I hate the Au'Ra lip colors. I would love a nice red or brighter colors.

I thought this was about the gloss to begin with...
But still, I can only agree. When trying to get a dark red back on my Miqo it ended up being a dark brownish red striped mass as everything was reflecting on it so much the original color was barely visible :/

Oh me oh my -- it's 6 years since this thread started and there's still no red option for lips for my character. This does me a concern.

The whole makeup character creator needs to be fixed.

The lack of eyelashes, eyeliner and eyebrows is quite bad. I wish they would update the CC and fix and add more faces and options and body options.

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

My biggest complaint with lip colors is that there's no RED option. I've honestly been trying to figure out exactly WHY there's no red color option for lips.

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OMG this drives me NUTS in character creator. There are no ruby red options. Depending on the skin tone, some races can get closer than others to achieving a more 'red' look. It's strange to me because Red is most commonly used lipstick colour IRL.

There is also no true blue, green, black or yellow lip options. The reds are all in the orange family, and blue/greens are not vibrant either. I think they need to add some new lip colours like they did with true red, yellow, blue, pink, black, and white dyes added this past expansion. They added such vibrant pure dye colours this past expansion, so I wish they could also be available for Chocobo palettes and lip/hair colours.

Game really need an update to the customization.
There's also no red hair in the game.

If I pick red lips too it's not red at all lol and the colors are all over the place depending on face too.

I tend to use the lip colour to add more depth to the face and give it some dimension, but I recently dumped the option as it's quite glossy and ended up standing out too much for me in a lot of lighting and cutscenes. I want the colour to differentiate from the rest of the skin tone, but it would be nice if it came in matte and not glossy only.

Red and dark shades in general are barely there and washed out on some races, while the light pinks and blues are super visible. Consistency is weird.

The character creator is absolute garbage and an embarrassment. Half the faces look like they are made of plastic, most of the hairs are over-saturated pixel goo and the fact that your eyebrows/other face ornaments are tied to your face type is just laughable and utterly idiotic.

There are MMOs made IN THE 90s THAT HAVE BETTER CHAR CREATION!

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Originally Posted by TTiscancer

The character creator is absolute garbage and an embarrassment. Half the faces look like they are made of plastic, most of the hairs are over-saturated pixel goo and the fact that your eyebrows/other face ornaments are tied to your face type is just laughable and utterly idiotic.

There are MMOs made IN THE 90s THAT HAVE BETTER CHAR CREATION!

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Why don't you play them then?
If you really want change zo happen, this attitude isn't helping.

I just hope, that the graphical overhaul next expansion will bring the change.

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Originally Posted by Arlythe

Why don't you play them then?
If you really want change zo happen, this attitude isn't helping.

I just hope, that the graphical overhaul next expansion will bring the change.

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WhY dOn'T yOu PlAy ThEm ThEn

I haven't been on the boards all of 5 minutes before this line was already tossed out today.

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Originally Posted by TTiscancer

The character creator is absolute garbage and an embarrassment. Half the faces look like they are made of plastic, most of the hairs are over-saturated pixel goo and the fact that your eyebrows/other face ornaments are tied to your face type is just laughable and utterly idiotic.

There are MMOs made IN THE 90s THAT HAVE BETTER CHAR CREATION!

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That's overally exaggerating it. But yes the game's character creation is supremely limiting. I just wish at least they let us mix and match customization features from both clans in a race.

Let me have a Hellsguard but without the ash nose thing they have. I want to be able to play as Curious George.