If I read right this is gonna be like a more approachable raid than your average Coil of Bahamut? If it is so I am pleased due to the fact that people without static will be able more than willing to join a pf from the get go :-). It seems that Yoship has actually took on board the million of threads we have in here regarding making coil a bit more staticless friendly.
How is the loot system gonna work to compare to Savage?
Normal Mode Alexander = CT level?
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04-27-2015, 04:20 PMMatureNormal Mode Alexander = CT level?
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04-27-2015, 05:04 PMSkeith-Adeline
No, it'll be closer to Coil with Echo. They'd piss off a ton of people if they made it have absolutely zero skill curve like the 24-man raids
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04-27-2015, 05:10 PMMature
Oh that's good because the community seems ALOT more active with this echo business. Last night in my server we reached a total of 21 T10/T11/T12 farm parties and clear parties whereas before echo PF was only all about Alex fates / DD / T9 farm and clear And pony farm.
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04-27-2015, 05:44 PMGardesHopefully completely inferior to the savage drops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mature
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04-27-2015, 05:47 PMSongJoohee
This past weekend they confirmed Alexandar normal will be able to be beaten in a day or two.
Alexandar Normal loot and Alexandar Savage loot will be different tiers of items. Normal mode will work on a WoD system where you can take 1 drop per week. Savage we don't know the details of, other than "similar to the new primals token system but not identical".
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04-27-2015, 06:14 PMMatureWell if it's a drop per week as CT sounds ace and if Savage is 2 drops that's ok to me plus I know people that goes for weeks and weeks without loot. So hardly inferior lolQuote:
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04-27-2015, 06:16 PMSongJooheeThis is not the case. Alex Normal and Alex Savage will be 2 different tiers of items. Likely 10 or 20 item levels more on the savage gear depending on how they are scaling ilvl in heavensward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mature
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04-27-2015, 06:18 PMCyrus-Wallace
To be precise, I think it'll be like the early turns in SCOB with nerfs/echo. Comparable with LFR in WoW, which any pug can beat.
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04-27-2015, 06:27 PMMatureSo you saying that Alex savage will be like SCOB but with actual rewards? And better? unlike SCOB where you only get a pointless title?Quote:
Originally Posted by SongJoohee
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04-27-2015, 06:39 PMGardesThat's ok to you? Like what, gonna have a problem if normal mode alex drops i140 and savage drops i150/i160?Quote:
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04-27-2015, 06:47 PMSongJooheeIt's kinda confusing but yes. The "Savage" part of the Alex Savage title is pointless. It's just end-game as BCoB/SCoB/FCoB were. Just imagine it as Alexandar Story mode and proper Alexandar.Quote:
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04-27-2015, 06:50 PMMatureI'm not really that bothered tbh. If "savage" is "harder" and drops ilvl higher items doesnt really matter cause at the end of the day we will get to that ilvl eventually. A bit of a poetic + coil gear. I'm just pleased that Alex being coil will be more approachable.Quote:
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04-27-2015, 06:53 PMMaturesorry to be repeating myself but that's the mean that Alex normal is not part of the end game but savage is? That's what I don't get and I know it's only early daysQuote:
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04-27-2015, 06:58 PMSongJooheeIt won't be "raid" tier difficulty, no. But it will be Lvl 60 content. As people as mentioned, Second Coil (normal) with Echo+Nerf difficulty is what has been mentioned by Yoshi-P, where as Alexandar Savage as been said to be as hard as the (non-existant) "Final Coil Savage" mode.Quote:
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04-27-2015, 07:12 PMGardes
I'd imagine that Alex NM will be what CM and Praetor is during 2.0. The 'dungeons' players faceroll spam to get philosophy tomes to buy darklight gear. Except it drops gear too. Wouldn't be surprised if it's the same ilvl gear or slightly better than the law tome gear.
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04-27-2015, 07:14 PMMatureThat's what I was wondering. Thanks! Can't really wait for it :DQuote:
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04-27-2015, 07:59 PMSpookyGhostIt'll be the ilvl of Esoteric gear, not upgraded. There would be no point in putting it on a lockout if it's the same ilvl as the normal, farmable currency gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardes
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Law: ilvl10
Esoteric: ilvl20
Alex NM: ilvl20
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04-27-2015, 08:03 PMNestamaWell, Angry Mayo kind of requires people to know what to do. Everything else, though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline
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04-27-2015, 08:08 PMJonBigwood
You can't directly compare dfficulty of 24-player content like CT and 8-player. Just the fact of being 24 persons and having to co-operate among all the alliance adds an extra difficulty, so mechanics need to be more forgiving to mistakes. You can't have the type of difficulty where one person's fail of a mechanic means a party wipe in 24-player content.
I suppose Alexander normal mode will be more difficult and take longer to learn than Steps of Faith, but not a lot more. Coil with echo and nerf is much more difficult than Steps of Faith. -
04-27-2015, 08:40 PMAdamuKun322
I think Yoshi mentioned that the loot system for both levels of Alexander Raid Modes will be different from the CT Saga and the Coil Saga.
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04-27-2015, 09:29 PMKonata
i dont think Alex normal will be CT level but more like what other have said more SCOB with starter 15% echo and maybe get harder in it later stages
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04-27-2015, 10:12 PMLineageRazor
What I'm wondering is whether Normal Mode Alexander will be similar in content to Savage Mode, but with the lethal attacks nerfed to survivable levels? I'd like to see Normal Mode Alexander as a viable method for practicing the mechanics of Savage Mode Alexander. How nice would it have been to have a Normal Mode Coil, where you could practice a Twintania where things like Cyclones reduced you to low HP but didn't kill you? A way to practice the various phases of the fight with more room for error and lesser rewards?
In my opinion, SE really missed a great opportunity when they designed the story mode Leviathan, Ramuh, and Shiva fights. While I understand that it's necessary to make these fights puggable so that players can advance through the main scenario, it would still have been a great opportunity to guide people towards the things they should and should not do during the fight. On Shiva, for example, Icebrand should work the same way as it does in Extreme, but deal less damage; maybe enough to kill an undergeared tank who eats it solo, and critically injure a well-geared tank - something to teach newer players that yes, it's important to point Icebrand at the party. Right now, the only mechanic these fights teach is the method to avoid wiping to the Primal's ultimate attack - everything else the primal does is a slap on the wrist.