Goddess Statues (Warring Triad) Confirmed?

Look in the background.

http://www.ffxivinfo.com/heavensward/images/news/1.jpg

Look closer...

https://gamemoir.files.wordpress.com...-continent.jpg

Can it be...?

Known theory. Was talked about several months ago.

There's no confirmation yet, but that's what things are pointing to. If anything it'll be the 3.x "Crystal Tower" instances, I'm willing to bet.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

There's no confirmation yet, but that's what things are pointing to. If anything it'll be the 3.x "Crystal Tower" instances, I'm willing to bet.

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Yoshi-P has gone on the record that the 3.X 24 man will not be a nostalgia dungeon like CT in order to avoid having "24 man= nostalgia dungeon" locked in. Floating Continent might still end up as one of the 8 dungeons in 3.0 though. 8 man maybe?

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Yoshi-P has gone on the record that the 3.X 24 man will not be a nostalgia dungeon like CT in order to avoid having "24 man= nostalgia dungeon" locked in. Floating Continent might still end up as one of the 8 dungeons in 3.0 though. 8 man maybe?

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Yeah they said during one of the last interviews (Live letter maybe ?) that it would be a regular dungeon. I'm hoping for a end-of-story epic 8 man dungeon tbh ^^

The place looks like an entrance into a raid. Since Alexander will be the replacement for Coil, then I'm guessing this will most likely be 24 man raid.

While it might not be a nostalgia raid ala CT, I'm pretty sure it'll atleast make the Warring Triad as a point of reference

I still say it's our next Northern Thanalan, with the final 8-man story dungeon itself involving the Warring Triad, and perhaps a Garlean mad scientist with delusions of godhood. A lot can happen in 50 hours of storyline.

I think they said that the floating continent is going to be an area, not a dungeon.

Wait, was it confirmed the "floating continent" is that Allagan superstructure?

Yup, the warring triad on it is making it pretty obvious anyway.

I found this on the Heavensward website.

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p....png?f976d05v1

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Yoshi-P has gone on the record that the 3.X 24 man will not be a nostalgia dungeon like CT in order to avoid having "24 man= nostalgia dungeon" locked in. Floating Continent might still end up as one of the 8 dungeons in 3.0 though. 8 man maybe?

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Look at the new Dungeon video.

It would be surprising me, if that is not part of the floating continent.

At 5:06 you can see the typical Crystal Tower shortcut transport stone for a moment. At 5:30 you can see 3 big plattforms that really look like made for 3 alliances.

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Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

I found this on the Heavensward website.

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p....png?f976d05v1

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Well that's the Triad outright confirmed then. I suppose now we can ask what the hell Allag was doing with them?

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Well that's the Triad outright confirmed then. I suppose now we can ask what the hell Allag was doing with them?

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Death, doom, despair. End of the world as we know it. Cats and dogs living together.

Whatever it was, I'm sure they meant well.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Well that's the Triad outright confirmed then. I suppose now we can ask what the hell Allag was doing with them?

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Increasingly I'm falling for my own ludicrous theory, seeing those winged Ixali really helped, as does absolute confirmation of a Warring Triad.

Given the Allags tendency to augment bodies (see: Scylla, heck all the Crystal Tower Allags are freakishly big), the fact that they basically reached a point of immortality (Xandes), and their global domination... Yeah... My money is on the Warring Triad being Allag survivors. They are on a floating island, the quakes Xandes Calamity caused shouldn't really have impacted them. One of them kept a more human form (Goddess), one of them took a more bestial route (Fiend) similar to whatever Amon did to Scylla, the other continued Xandes obsession with the Void and went full on Voidsent (Demon). They battle for dominance, since the victor would basically be able to rule the world forever. Bring up some creatures from the surface, force them to fight your battles for you. Lets say the Goddess played with Ixali, maybe created Garuda. Fiend creates the Lord of Snakes. Epic battle between the two. Garuda (who's theme I might point out, is Fallen Angel) becomes part of Ixali myth, today becoming their Primal. Eventually they stop fighting for the same reason they stopped in Final Fantasy VI, take that Garuda example and spread it across most of the other Primals, Allag seemed to hate Primals and they basically just created a bunch, good enough reason to stop as any. Finally we get to Heavensward and they're rediscovered, lets just hope that (assumed) IVth Legion Legate is all we'll see. Moment I see VIth Legion so much as mentioned I am going to be losing my shit.

Kinda wonder how this will connect to the existing War of the Magi lore we have. A more sensible theory would be to assume that the Warring Triad represent the three "factions"; Goddess = Hydaelyn. Fiend = Primals/Ascians? Demon = Voidsent. Interestingly we know of three dimensions. The one we "live" on. The Aetherial realm. And the Void. I guess the Ascians also have their own little pocket dimension as well.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Well that's the Triad outright confirmed then.

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So when we think ahead, we possibly could see .... Kefka?

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

So when we think ahead, we possibly could see .... Kefka?

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The Sixth Imperial Legion eventually makes it's way to Eorzea and the insane Sixth Legatus disturbs the Allag Triad thus ending 3.0 and ushering in... A REALM RUINED 4.0


Man, I really hope the Triad isn't an Allag construct but something the Allag discovered :s

I'll point out: it has never been stated any-damn-where that the Twelve have been worshipped consistently in Eorzea across every era.

Heck, logic would dictate the faith has waxed and waned throughout the epochs.

So: the gods of Allag, and or the gods of the Fifth Astral Era for that matter, might not be our gods.

:3

I've actually been idly speculating in private about that for a while now. I really can't wait for Heavensward at this point (though I'm bummed that the Triad probably won't come into deep play until 3.1, knowing the usual schedule).

(It's also possible a hybrid of the above idea and an earlier idea are correct, too - they're "ascended" Allagan survivors who were then also worshipped as gods remotely in the Fifth Astral by Amdapor, Nym and Black-Mage-Town. That would also be thematically appropriate to FFVI and would nicely tie in to the continued development of the Allagan lore.)

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Kinda wonder how this will connect to the existing War of the Magi lore we have. A more sensible theory would be to assume that the Warring Triad represent the three "factions"; Goddess = Hydaelyn. Fiend = Primals/Ascians? Demon = Voidsent. Interestingly we know of three dimensions. The one we "live" on. The Aetherial realm. And the Void. I guess the Ascians also have their own little pocket dimension as well.

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Just to note, if any of the three are associated with Voidsent, it'll be Majin, the Fiend. "Demon" really wasn't a very good fit for 鬼神 (kishin), but we could build an entire new thread out of that...

(Also very curious to see how Ferne & co. handle kishin - that one's really swung wildly between various FFVI translations, and there's a billion ways to translate it, all of them of debatable "correctness"!)

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Originally Posted by StarDrake

Just to note, if any of the three are associated with Voidsent, it'll be Majin, the Fiend. "Demon" really wasn't a very good fit for 鬼神 (kishin), but we could build an entire new thread out of that...

(Also very curious to see how Ferne & co. handle kishin - that one's really swung wildly between various FFVI translations, and there's a billion ways to translate it, all of them of debatable "correctness"!)

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Uh, I think that Kishin means Demon God. Not 100% sure but I'm at least 85% on that. But then again Japenese is the language of single words with a dozen meanings. Where as english is the Language with a dozen words having the same meaning. Must be why translation between the two is so frigging hard.

I think it's because the Oni (鬼) from japan culture aren't really demons, not the same demons we have in christian myths anyway, they can mean a lot of thing, either demon (understand evil creatures) or protector, they usually are fierce and really powerful warriors. According to the dictionnary the translation is fierce god so I guess fierce is the part that is retained through that kanji and not so the evil part.

Goddess, Doom Gaze, Poltergeist

*Fingers crossed for the Ted Woolsey translations*

How would everyone react if this Warring Triad ends up using the original names in Tetsuya Nomura's concept art for FF6 (Sophia, Zurvan, and Sefiros), rather than the fimiliar titles in the game releases?

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

How would everyone react if this Warring Triad ends up using the original names in Tetsuya Nomura's concept art for FF6 (Sophia, Zurvan, and Sefiros), rather than the fimiliar titles in the game releases?

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Happily, because those sound like they could be Allagan names!

Sefiros would probably get the Final Fantasy VII fans riled up, though.

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Originally Posted by lololink

I think it's because the Oni (鬼) from japan culture aren't really demons, not the same demons we have in christian myths anyway, they can mean a lot of thing, either demon (understand evil creatures) or protector, they usually are fierce and really powerful warriors. According to the dictionnary the translation is fierce god so I guess fierce is the part that is retained through that kanji and not so the evil part.

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In fact they are (were ?) the same. Christian demons (or rather, demons in short) were originally beings of a higher status than humans. Angels, fallen angels, dragons, witches, gods... All were demons. The name evolved in Christianity to describe the Fallen Angels first, then all malicious beings in the end.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

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Not quite. You're close, but fallen angels originated not in the scripture itself, but in fan fiction (rather, Milton), and were in fact the last (on account of being entirely unimagined) to receive the moniker "demon," the first being the gods and associated creatures of non-Christian religions. Imagine an early (100s AD) Christian priest exorcising Zeus from a Roman citizen for the general idea.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Not quite. You're close, but fallen angels originated not in the scripture itself, but in fan fiction (rather, Milton), and were in fact the last (on account of being entirely unimagined) to receive the moniker "demon," the first being the gods and associated creatures of non-Christian religions. Imagine an early (100s AD) Christian priest exorcising Zeus from a Roman citizen for the general idea.

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The more you know.. Thanks for the insight

As far as Fallen Angels and Demons go, in the Demonic Higharchy Fallen Angels arnt classified as demons.

Angels and Demons are two separate classes of being. An Angel fallen or otherwise is still an angel. Demons are different. (Demons are mortal Luke humans, Angels are semi-immortal)