Similarity between two bosses.. I'm just bored lol

Hmm.. I've been farming my zodiac recently, so I need to run tons and tons of dungeons; Lost city of Amadapor was one of them

I noticed that the second boss from Lost city of Amadapor(Arioch) looks kinda like the first boss from Keeper of the lake(Einhander). Well, technically, the other way around since KotL came out much later than LCoA.

They have similar looks; both of them have horns and large wings and long tails. Though Einhander has a pair of feather wings while Arioch's wings are completely smooth and hairless.

Also their abilities are somewhat simillar as well. Both of them have a long cone attack; Arioch shoots out a laser beam while Einhander shoots bullet stream from his canon thingy.

So... perhaps they are related in a way...? Or possibly the same creature...? I have a theory that the Empire caught Arioch from lost city of amadapor and transmuted him into some biomachine thingy that helps them to kill stuff. I don't know, just a random guess. Any thoughts?

[Two pics i found online of Einhander and Arioch]
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https://31.media.tumblr.com/ee5cb051...m9Z1sf0o0a.jpg

<Arioch:>
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...c612429e44.jpg

Square reuses a lot of monster assets for the game. Saves on costs and resources rather than trying to create unique monsters for every single instance, though they do try to fancy them up a bit like with that freak of nature first boss in Amadapor City.

Look at the Chimera and the PLD tank mount.

Phecda Rank B hunt and the WAR tank mount.

Lol, your original posted completely contradicts your assertion that they are similar. Horns are different, wing are different, the look different, one uses a gun, the other doesn't... They're similat in that the havewings, horns and front cone attacks...OMG! that's the same as all dragons, so the must be related, right?

._. [insert random happy face here]

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Lol, your original posted completely contradicts your assertion that they are similar. Horns are different, wing are different, the look different, one uses a gun, the other doesn't... They're similat in that the havewings, horns and front cone attacks...OMG! that's the same as all dragons, so the must be related, right?

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OMG your sarcastic and caustic tone are definitely entertaining, right?

I'm just bored and found the thing and think it's interesting, calm tf down tiger lol; i'm not even trolling or saying ninja op needs nerf. what's your problem really?

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Originally Posted by RylaiBluecrow

OMG your sarcastic and caustic tone are definitely entertaining, right?

I'm just bored and found the thing and think it's interesting, calm tf down tiger lol; i'm not even trolling or saying ninja op needs nerf. what's your problem really?

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It's that you're making a huge leap and bounds to find similarities. "Wings, horns and frontal attack" is very generic and covers so many mobs. Diablos has horns, wings and frontal AoE. All Dragons fit that description as well.

It'd be like me saying DRK or Cloud is similiar to an anime protaginist because they wield a great sword, or that someone is similar to megaman because they use charge shots from an arm cannon.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

It's that you're making a huge leap and bounds to find similarities. "Wings, horns and frontal attack" is very generic and covers so many mobs. Diablos has horns, wings and frontal AoE. All Dragons fit that description as well.

It'd be like me saying DRK or Cloud is similiar to an anime protaginist because they wield a great sword, or that someone is similar to megaman because they use charge shots from an arm cannon.

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Hmmm.. Rafflesia reaper from turn 6 doesn't necessarily look like those lv6 microchus outside of Gridania. I'm just saying that Arioch and Einhender might be related; perhaps the same species of creature or maybe the same one by any chance. There really isn't any other mobs in the game that look similar to those.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Square reuses a lot of monster assets for the game. Saves on costs and resources rather than trying to create unique monsters for every single instance, though they do try to fancy them up a bit like with that freak of nature first boss in Amadapor City.

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As quoted above, SE tends to reuse the mob artworks and mechanics in other instances.. to save time on programming, animating and thinking of new mechanics. Mix and match apperances of a mob with mechanics of another.. add a pinch of hue and some decorations.. Voilà! New Boss emerges!

Remember how you hate "Angra Mainyu" in WoD? .. he is the Ahriman from Hakkue who was tutored by 1st boss in Qarn to cast Doom.

Since there's usually more than one type of mob within a family some of them are bound to be similar.

Same base model is used, all monster/mounts are just a variation of a some base model. While not as obvious as palette swapping in old 2D sprite games, you can still tell.
Almost none of the bosses have unique or new base models. Exceptions being primals, Fenrir, FF11 or FF13 base models.

wow had no idea how arioch lookeded up close!

Nael Deus Darnus and the boss of the Amdapor Keep (HM) is the same model, and no other creatures share it. I doubt they are related haha (I could be wrong).

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

Nael Deus Darnus and the boss of the Amdapor Keep (HM) is the same model, and no other creatures share it. I doubt they are related haha (I could be wrong).

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http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/3b/3b758...ef80b42b2c.jpg

http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...9eaf60321b.png

http://www.ffxivinfo.com/images/scre...ffxiv-2210.jpg

Know who else "shares this model"? Every other humanoid in the game xD

I think he means wireframe, meaning they share battle animations/floaty walking/etc. They're designed drastically different but use the same wireframe for movement and such.

I can't confirm this I just think thats what he meant. You can see several similarities (especially in the fingers/arms) from just those pictures however.

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Originally Posted by BlaiseArath

I think he means wireframe, meaning they share battle animations/floaty walking/etc. They're designed drastically different but use the same wireframe for movement and such.

I can't confirm this I just think thats what he meant. You can see several similarities (especially in the fingers/arms) from just those pictures however.

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You're correct. Model wasn't the correct term to use haha.

At least it isn't as blatent reuse as FFXI was XD. Kill bats at level 1, kill the exact same model bats at level 99 too ^_^

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At least it isn't as blatent reuse as FFXI was XD. Kill bats at level 1, kill the exact same model bats at level 99 too ^_^

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This game needs the rabbits though, not enough Rarabs murdering the strongest of adventurers

Even the boogeyman boss in AK Hard has the same base model and animations as a generic kobold.

That time when I realized the Turn 8 boss is a Treant underneath. :D

Anchag is is basically just off-brand Odin.

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Originally Posted by SlyTribal

This game needs the rabbits though, not enough Rarabs murdering the strongest of adventurers

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Shame they not continuing development for FFXI after they drop console support. FFXI with new models, native 1080 support, higher res textures and improved lighting, fully customisable UI with LUA, So much they could do without the console limiting possibilities for modernising.

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Originally Posted by RylaiBluecrow

Hmmm.. Rafflesia reaper from turn 6 doesn't necessarily look like those lv6 microchus outside of Gridania. I'm just saying that Arioch and Einhender might be related; perhaps the same species of creature or maybe the same one by any chance. There really isn't any other mobs in the game that look similar to those.

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Actually Raffesia is probably more related to each other than arioch/Einhender. Same species and all, the former is corrupted by dalamud fragments. Hell, the abilities it uses aren't even exclusive to itself since Thousand-Cast uses both bloody carass and blighted.

...Meanwhile in your comparison, Arioch doesn't even have the proper talons to even grip a weapon like a mini cannon.

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Originally Posted by MrLeonheart

Anchag is is basically just off-brand Odin.

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FATE Odin is a PC model in a 4 piece gear set (Zantetsuken, Hjalmr, Herklaedi, and Skjoldr) on a fairly detailed version of the horse model. Trail Odin is a just a scaled up version of this using a Hyur model. Anchag just replaces Odin with a Dullahan and uses a much more plain horse model.