PLEASE. PLEASE STOP THIS. This game is meant to be cooperative, but if you're going to go down there and troll in low level dungeons, then STOP. I've had more than 3 instances in which a person(or more than one) has harassed me non-stop throughout the dungeon. Only during Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak as a Lv 25 GLD Tank did I finally snap.
Examples of Trolling
-Pulling when the tank isn't even ready yet, or hasn't gone ahead to pull repeatedly.
-Telling them what to do in chat on a regular basis(unlike helping them fix what they're doing wrong in the case you wipe)
-DPSing as a Healer in Early Low Level Dungeons to cause the Tank to die(ex. Sastasha, Halatali, etc.)
-Continuous Harassment in other forms
This should be something that shouldn't happen AT ALL. Even if you're doing Low Level, at least respect other players that are attempting to level their classes.(To be continued)
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04-19-2015, 05:41 AMHyperiusUltimaAbout Trolling in Low Level Dungeons(Despite being a 50 on another class)
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04-19-2015, 05:44 AMHyperiusUltima
Even if you're already a Lv 50 and the Low Level Dungeons seem boring to you, don't ruin their fun by trolling them. It's not nice to anyone. You decided to join the instance, so contribute to it instead of making it "interesting" for yourself.
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04-19-2015, 06:50 AMRiepahThese two don't sound like trolling to me. The former is the natural cause of action if the dungeon is easy enough to not require a dedicated tank and the tank is exceptionally slow. The latter, well, clearly, letting the tank die is bad. But DPSing in low level dungeons is very, very easily doable without letting anybody die.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
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04-19-2015, 07:54 AMAskaRay
If a fully leveled healer is DPSing in a dungeon and lets a tank die to to refusing to heal, that's pathetic.
But if I don't DPS in those first few dungeons as a healer then I'm gonna fall asleep, especially on SCH. -
04-19-2015, 08:43 AMRath
I am leveling my healer right now, currently 47. But, I always DPS as a whm. I also sleep adds with pld or gld tanks (if the DPS hit the tanks target). The only time I do not DPS is when the tank is severely under geared for the dungeon we are in (lvl 11 gear in 16-20 dungeons, lvl 20~ gear in 26+ dungeons). I am usually healing all the DPS tanking hate and too busy for DPSing at those times. Or when the tank doesn't use any of his cooldowns besides FoF and pulls multiple groups at once (this happens a lot more then you would think). Yes it is my job to heal, but you expect me to esuna and cure 2, stoneskin, protect, why shouldn't a tank use his cooldowns.
The only time a tank usually dies when a healer is DPSing is when the tank pulls more then he can handle or stands in all the clearly-marked AoEs. There are a few times that things just go fubar, but that has nothing to do with DPSing healers.
As for pulling, if a tank randomly stops moving for extended periods, I have seen healers pull while I was lvling DPS jobs. Do I do it? No, but I could easily since I can pull with sleep and easily keep myself alive while the DPS kill the mob awake. What actually bugs me is people running off without the group to get chests without saying anything. NIN sneaking takes longer then just killing the group you are trying to avoid. -
04-19-2015, 09:29 AMmp-pleaseAll of those aren't trolling, like, at all. Pulling when someone isn't ready happens all the time and in most of the times are the tanks pulling before the healer have maxed mp, or TP on dps case. Regardless, if someone pulls earlier, it's your job as the tank to get aggro back be it for trolling be it accidently.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
Informing people of what to do is what lv 50 players do when newbies wipe in a dungeon. I do it all the time and i'm not trolling at all, i just want a smooth run and if you're wiping due to someone not doing the mechanics of the dungeon, yes, even low level dungeons have mechanics i'll take a min or 2 to explain people what to do.
And finally healer dps, every healer should dps. Mainly on low level content where tanks barely take dmg (and where scholars can auto follow tanks with eos out). Deaths happen mainly due tunnel vision, every class can tunnel vision like tanks using halone combo on a mob and not noticing they're losing aggro of the rest or dps not doing mechanics/killing adds, it's a mistake like any other and it's not trolling at all. -
04-19-2015, 12:15 PMZaftNone of those are trolling. You just don't like how other people are playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
Guess what? Not everybody plays the same way as you. -
04-19-2015, 03:11 PMHyperiusUltimaI know that. But would you go about making fun of the tank who already has a rough time trying to keep aggro in low level(and they know it)? No. I wouldn't do that. The DPS I went in on last time continued to attack differently from the one I marked(just to make sure they don't accidentally attack a different one and gain aggro) and had targeted first, whereas at the beginning the healer outright decided not to heal me. They did it continuously until I had enough and left. Even if they don't play the same way(which god forbid everybody does), they should at least have the common sense to do what they need to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaft
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04-19-2015, 05:16 PMJimboTCB
Thing is, most of the lowest-level dungeons are stupidly easy even if you mess up on aggro, and lots of people know that and as a result don't really care about doing things properly. You can peel mobs off of the tank and not really take enough damage to trouble the healer, there's very little for healers to do at that level because they're synced down and lose most of their healing utility, DPS are reduced to two or three buttons, and tanks lose virtually their entire toolkit. It's not really a good experience for new people who actually want to learn how to play, but especially for people who are working on relics and might have had to do the same dungeon a couple of dozen times, they can probably do it with their eyes closed by that point and just want to get it over with.
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04-20-2015, 08:39 AMMokikoza
If you think you got it hard, wait to do the Crystal Tower. Random DPS pulling boss seems to be what Trolls live off lately.
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04-20-2015, 09:03 AMSantaClaw
You can't stop the troll. No one can.
Don't waste your time reasoning with them, just leave the dungeon or "An eye for an eye". -
04-20-2015, 12:40 PMMirakumi
If you want to know true trolling. I did a run on my low level dd today in Sunken Temple of Qarn.
The 50 Tank and Brd must have knew each other because first thing tank did was run in grab every mob -> and stop at first boss // then bard plays swiftsong+ballad.
The healer whom was a low 36 freaked out. I wouldn't blame him.
Tank died and both he and brd questioned his ability to heal.
They continued trying to speed run = which we continued to die.
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04-20-2015, 10:17 PMPetiteMalFleurIf this is a consistent issue maybe you are just pulling too slow. It's very boring to stand around waiting for a slow tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
Maybe you should listen. I'm not sure what the difference is or why they should only speak up after a wipe.Quote:
-Telling them what to do in chat on a regular basis(unlike helping them fix what they're doing wrong in the case you wipe)
Healers should dps. It should not be an issue unless you are undergeared.Quote:
-DPSing as a Healer in Early Low Level Dungeons to cause the Tank to die(ex. Sastasha, Halatali, etc.)
I understand you're learning your class. Marking mobs? It can slow the run to a crawl. The dungeon should take no more than 20-25 minutes. Good dps will simply attack the mob you shield lob making the markings unnecessary. If they aren't then adjust to mark a single target that you are attacking first. By the time it dies you should be well ahead on threat that the order of the last mobs doesn't matter.Quote:
-Continuous Harassment in other forms
OP, in my experience actual trolling is uncommon. If you are struggling consistently the problem may not be in your fellow party members.