What's your win loss? Your story?

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I've been with the Twin Adder since the beginning of 2.3. When Frontlines first came out, at least on Primal, the story was Mael was the dominant GC (to the point of suspicion), Adder was second, and Flames seemed to desire third place. It was just very difficult to beat them. They could be a distant second for most of the match, claw their way back to front and get the win (this happened far too often). Personally I thought some of them were manipulating the score. Ridiculous, yes, but those were my thoughts. I didn't have a full understanding of scoring worked and seeing their score jump 15/20 points a second bothered me, but I kept it to myself. Around the time 2.4 rolled around, Flames clawed themselves from their third place ditch and contested for second place, and going for first place more often than they did during 2.3. This is also the time that bore witness to their nasty two-party-alliance-roaming-the-lands tactic (very hard to deal with, but they would still lose in the end). They would just steamroll anybody within sight. It wasn't before long the Adder started doing this tactic, but it wasn't long lived, I believe. This was the beginning of the premades, I think. When 2.4 hit, there was a change - you could be blind and notice it. Mael was winning a lot less than before. I don't know if it was due to people switching alliances, or Square slightly altering the map, but this is the period where my first and second place winnings switched, and it's been the same ever since. I've never seen Mael in third place so often before. The long time Flames must have noticed something too. I'm sure they were happy during this time.

98% of my matches have been Secure matches, the bulk of them during 2.4.

From my perspective as Storm, it seemed as though everyone who played a lot prior to 2.4 had gone into retirement. They got to rank 45 and then stopped to do other things. Also GC hopping (mostly people who aren't that great) doesn't help either.

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I haven't PvPed for about a month due to having other commitments *Fenrir today >_>* but when I started out back in October and played 100-game-weeks while solo it was pretty much mostly 1st/2nd for me. Usually would end up with more close-2nds in most weeks than not but I was still learning things in Secure at the time and just trying to get experience. For the longest time up until about January, my 2nd place was quite a bit higher than my 1st but that changed as more people wanted to form groups and queue at the same time until my 1st overtook my 2nd by leaps and bounds. Most people have since gotten what they wanted from PvP and not returned, or are occupied with other things. I never really noticed what you mentioned with 'so many 3rds for Storm', as Flames were usually the ones there for me, and I did PvP nearly every day from mid-October up until around mid-March. I don't recall it being any different back when Secure was all we had other than when we were facing nearly full premades.

I will say that it sounds as though things have yet again weakened for the Storm, but there are strong points depending on the time of day. Maybe when we decide to come back, things will change yet again. In the time that I've been away from the group PvP, I think I'm wary of starting it up again as intensely as I had before. Perhaps I'll just try to do a game a day at first and see how things go. I know I'm going to have to get back into the groove of things before we get increase PvP rank (hopefully to 60) and the new map a month after 3.0 launches so I might as well take baby steps till then.

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Anyway my PvP experience started kinda good. Got steady wins with adders. Especially in secure. Then about 2 months ago the decline happened. Queue times went up considerably and a winning team became more and more absent. Before I knew it I had more 3rds then 1sts. As of know, I frequently get in teams that have players openly admitting they don't give a $@£! about winning; they just want the tomes.

In my experience, Mael wins about 70% - 80% of all frontline matches. As this became more and more apparent to me - and the fact of those frequent DGAF players - I decided to switch. Of course, I had forgotten that PvP rank is GC based not character based, thus I decided against it.

I am still contemplating it as I'd rather be on the winning team then constantly struggle to maybe get a 2nd. :P

Hopefully 3.0 will spark new life in PvP adders on my data center. If not: goodbye adders!

Here, Fl rankings, check your pool, server.
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My theory why you might be seeing better Flames teams in Secure than you might have been used to... so Secure is now an 8 x 8 x 8 game, and so Alliances are no longer part of the equation. Before, you could have a strong premade party of 8, but a weak alliance could make you lose... now though, if you go in with a premade you have much more of an advantage than before since its just your party against two others that might or might not be mostly random.

What that has to do with Flames on our data center- they're the smallest of the GC's in Frontlines from what I've gathered, and whereas you could have plenty of Adders and Maels queue for Secure, it's not going to start until it can form a party of 8 Flames. So if you have a team of strong Flames players for a full or partial premade, they can probably get a Slaughter match without an insane wait time, and not be held back by alliance members who are weaker players as they might have been when we had 72 man secure mode. But from my experience the last couple of months, trying to get a premade into a Secure match for Adders just doesn't happen. We'd try with a mostly full party, give up an hour later. Even trying to queue with 3 people would often be a waste of time. And as a result of that, most of the Adders I know on our server who were regular players have been so turned off by the experience of long waits for matches that might not even happen they don't bother anymore.

So to sum things up, my theory is a good team of players in the least dominant GC can probably get into Secure mode as a premade successfully when they want to. But people in other GC's, especially from smaller servers, are having to PUG it more and more which is an instant disadvantage.

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I started with Wolves Den, quickly got bored of it. And didn't PvP again until after Frontlines came out, I've really rediscovered PvP when I had to get 'light' for my relic. Yes, I was one of those 'filthy light farmers'. Started to like it a lot and was almost doing nothing else but PvP'ing. I've PvP'ed with the Adders since the beginning but recently their overall performance dwindled a lot. People don't listen and do whatever. One even went as far as telling the team in a secure match to ignore everything and take Flames' OP, a lvl 45 player with the ALS mount but I was the 'idiot' for protecting Adder's OP and telling them to go get the Node... I think that was the highlight of my PvP experience with the B'Adders.
Queue times started increasing, I've got my ALS mount and don't really want to go back to it again yet.

*checks frontline standings on lodestone*

A whole lot of 7 B'Adders from Chaos made it into the top 100!

(stupid Adders ruined my standings-ration...)

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I really just did FL for the glamor, thats it. Got to rank 45, was #1 on Faerie for February 2015, and was #21 on Aether for February 2015.

Lol, I have over 400 matches and most of them are 3rd place. Yup you guessed it, Twin Adders.

At least one half of my loses are against win traders. Just got one specially stupid now.

Mael got a lonely Flame-Ninja with battle high in their group, but they just worked together, to serve Flame the points they need to win.

It was 15/9/10 for us before, then Mael just did everything to push Flames to place 1. Ended with 16/9/30. Yes, Mael did not even try to make a kill, they just spamed CC, so Flames could Limit b00n us.

There are almost never normal matches. In every single one of them you got people who can't be CCed (without any message you normally get), who run faster then possible, teleport, who must have insane lag (push back totally kick them in an absurd direction - which saves them, or can't be interrupted at all), but still got no problem to stay at melee range or instantly heal any damage on their people (beside those 2-3s lag...), can spam CC without any DR or hit you with LB even if you are 10m out of it (with a latency of 20-30ms).

I don't care if these are hacks or bugs or whatever, but together with the typical exploit you can find in any game, when people start to win trade and so one, it's just a joke and only good for the daily roulette = some quick 40 poetrys. And that's the simply reason that PvP is a rotting corpse.

Also had some games in Secure, where for example Mael seemed to don't care at all for their OP - but also were not mid. Just "afk". Had seven Flames around me, no Mael in sight on the top, but still they lost their OP - and also did not get any other. You can't be THIS bad.

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Originally Posted by LordHadi

Lol, I have over 400 matches and most of them are 3rd place. Yup you guessed it, Twin Adders.

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Adders had a lot of players who could dominate, and lead a game. But this was way before Slaughter.

Now still some good players, but I dont see the old players in there anymore. I honestly cant blame them, after you get your mount/glams.. what else do you do it for? What tops this all of is the fact, people enter.. and have already given up. I've won matches for Adders many times in 24 slaughter. I honestly remember all the names who made me say "that was good play". Not because they got high kills, but had a good attitude towards the plays.

I'm all for trying PvP in 3.0, but currently.. not sure if you'll see any improvements in queue times, but I think you'll be given another mount. So yeah probably..

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Originally Posted by RobinRethiel

Mael got a lonely Flame-Ninja with battle high in their group, but they just worked together, to serve Flame the points they need to win.

It was 15/9/10 for us before, then Mael just did everything to push Flames to place 1. Ended with 16/9/30. Yes, Mael did not even try to make a kill, they just spamed CC, so Flames could Limit b00n us.

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I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to say here. What exactly was your team doing to help flames?

Storm spammed CC on Adders (their team) in order to have Flames win.

15 or 16 -> Adders
9 -> Storm
10 and then 30 -> Flames

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I've been doing FL since 2.3 and I started off as Maelstrom. I changed to Immortal Flames for the sake of queues. Still going at FL even though slaughter sucks! This week is a disaster @.@;;

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I am Adder since begining, honestly being Adder sucks even ranking on lodestone says that, first 20 players with Win Lose ratios are immortals or maels.
But I like the glamours, I like the Gridanian background so I will stay Adder. :))

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Originally Posted by zeopower6

Storm spammed CC on Adders (their team) in order to have Flames win.

15 or 16 -> Adders
9 -> Storm
10 and then 30 -> Flames

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This sounds like a classic case of being double teamed and it happens a lot. I find it to be a bit of a stretch when Robin is accusing mael and flames of cheating by win trading. A majority of these instances of double teaming could easily be explained by either indifference or lack of skill of the mael players. It takes a good deal of mental gymnastics to arrive to the conclusion that mael and flames are actively cheating by win trading and it's going to be even harder to prove that to SE, especially since 2v1ing is so common in 3 faction warfare.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to say here. What exactly was your team doing to help flames?

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We are ganked by Flames and Mael. Mael started to CC us and arrange the kills for Flames. They ignored each other completely. Even when only two us us were alive, they chased us together, ingoring battle high players from the other side in any way. Mael did not even try to win or become 2nd, it was all to help Flames. And you see this very, very often in different ways.

1vs1vs1 does simply not work in this kind of PvP. It's much too easy to exploit.

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No, they did not play bad. And for sure not worse than Flames.

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@Guesswhat

Ugh im with you here, you're on Chaos right? Think i've seen you play MNK quite a bit. I really dont want to have to grind to get back to 30+ but getting 1 win out of 10 or so matches is horrible

Jeesh some of these screenshots are really hurting my self esteem..

What I've noticed is the time of day/week you queue does make a difference (strictly speaking solo queuing). On Aether, through the weekdays during daytime/early evening Maelstrom is steady.. but weekends and all late evenings it turns into a circus show.. I assume it's the same with the other factions too.

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i play with adders/mael/flames and i know so many ppl i love when they sleep/blind/stun on me and emotes /hug lol thats make me want to play with them in same team ;_;

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@Guesswhat

Ugh im with you here, you're on Chaos right? Think i've seen you play MNK quite a bit. I really dont want to have to grind to get back to 30+ but getting 1 win out of 10 or so matches is horrible

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Yes you have :). I don't think my previous statement on mael winning 70% - 80% of the matches is accurate though. Flames have won a lot lately too.
And adders do get some awesome teams occasionally.

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Originally Posted by Srab

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i play with adders/mael/flames and i know so many ppl i love when they sleep/blind/stun on me and emotes /hug lol thats make me want to play with them in same team ;_;

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lol I remember you from yesterday. I think it was you who killed me 3 times in 1 match.