fcob nerfs?

Do we know when it is getting nerfed? People are speculating it is in the maintenance today, but i doubt that. Thanks.

does it need to be nerfed?

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Originally Posted by Lambadelta

does it need to be nerfed?

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No it doesn't, but it more than likely will at some point.

You better hide yo wife, hide yo kids, hide you HUSBAND, cuz they nerfin' errbody out here!!!!

inb4 20+ page thread crying about how Final Coil nerfs will be the end of the game, drive everyone to cancel subs, and result in SE having to shut down the servers before 3.0

t10 already received a nerf.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/05/never.gif

Those poor Valiants have suffered enough since the last patch! They deserve better!

Nerfs aren't happening right now. I assume that SE is planning to put in Echo at the very least. It's way too early for nerfs.

To be honest, they need to add a nerfed version of these events at release. Have em drop equivalent to soldiery gear or whatever the lesser tome is at the time and let folks learn mechanics that way. T5 is still to damn hard for pick up groups, T9 more so. The current nerfs to coil should be enough, it's just hard to get eight folks who know the fights well enough to dodge the insta kill mechanics. Hell, make it a token based system similar to tomes and you lose some of your final reward every time you get hit by one of the would have been one shot mechanics. Bet folks get divebombs sorted out something quick. XD

But allowing folks with less playtime or lacking statics to see content will anger the snowflakes so I dunno if SE would consider this a decent idea. Though since storyline is a big part of the carrot in this game, might have to restrict access to it to the normal raid.

Thanks for your time

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Originally Posted by Durthane

To be honest, they need to add a nerfed version of these events at release. Have em drop equivalent to soldiery gear or whatever the lesser tome is at the time and let folks learn mechanics that way.

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Alexander is getting a story mode and a hard mode, so... wish granted.

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Originally Posted by Lambadelta

does it need to be nerfed?

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No, but you can be sure they'll drive T10, 11 and 12 into the ground soon enough for reasons unknown.

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Originally Posted by Zaft

No, but you can be sure they'll drive T10, 11 and 12 into the ground soon enough for reasons unknown.

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Probably not T12 for the significance of the battle and the plot. It's kind of different when compared to the older coils when you think about it.

Looking at the Unavailable times for Eternal Bonding thing, I suspect our first round of echo and nerfs will arrive next week.

Please SE nerf those already just take out the trash mobs on T10 and T11

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Originally Posted by AdamFyi

Probably not T12 for the significance of the battle and the plot. It's kind of different when compared to the older coils when you think about it.

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Adding echo will make turn 13 a lot easier as the biggest thing of it is handling burst damage on the tanks plus the DPS requirements to beat the enrage. Albeit, phase 2 will be icky as we already have to slow DPS to get the 3rd add before the phase change. With 130 gear surviving an exploding tower from mega flare is doable, we done that already XD.

Nerf Nerf! NERF!!!

Confirmed NERFS: no vulnerability debuffs in t10.
T11: only one pair of tethers, not two. Forked lightning no longer paralyzed. Nerve Gas/Nerve Cloud damage reduced..
T12: black fire only damages one player now, no more pulses. Brand damage reduced. Fountain mechanic now optional since it doesn't do much to phoenix. Bennu HP/damage reduced.
T13: mega flare outgoing damage reduced. Not stacking for rings or stacking without a ring leaves character with one HP instead of dead. Flatten damage reduced. Rage of Bahamut now allows for 3 orbs. All adds hit for less, Pain and Storm HP reduced. Evil Eye cast time doubled. Tempest Wing damage reduced. Ahk Morn is only one hit, then two, then three, instead of starting at 2. Initial hit damage reduced.
All turns get 10% echo.

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

Confirmed NERFS: no vulnerability debuffs in t10.
T11: only one pair of tethers, not two. Forked lightning no longer paralyzed. Nerve Gas/Nerve Cloud damage reduced..
T12: black fire only damages one player now, no more pulses. Brand damage reduced. Fountain mechanic now optional since it doesn't do much to phoenix. Bennu HP/damage reduced.
T13: mega flare outgoing damage reduced. Not stacking for rings or stacking without a ring leaves character with one HP instead of dead. Flatten damage reduced. Rage of Bahamut now allows for 3 orbs. All adds hit for less, Pain and Storm HP reduced. Evil Eye cast time doubled. Tempest Wing damage reduced. Ahk Morn is only one hit, then two, then three, instead of starting at 2. Initial hit damage reduced.
All turns get 10% echo.

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Proof?

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Originally Posted by Canadane

t10 already received a nerf.

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Speeding up the run by weakening the Trash which is totally avoidable in the first place ... not quite the "nerf" which weights anything...

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

Confirmed NERFS: -snip.

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Source... ?

/edit: i just read that in detail, you my friend, ... i want your drugs.
T13 would be less challenging than the first Gilgamesh fight at the brigde...

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Originally Posted by wicked-one

Source... ?

/edit: i just read that in detail, you my friend, ... i want your drugs.
T13 would be less challenging than the first Gilgamesh fight at the brigde...

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They never nerf the final turns in each Coil set anyway, so you know it's a troll post. Would have been more believable if he left out the T13 part.

If they must do anything, then give it echo. That'll be enough of a nerf in FCOB and people can still click it off.

Don't make it T6/T7 all over again when the fights got turned into 'roll your face across the keyboard and collect your loot'

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Originally Posted by wicked-one

Source... ?

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His imagination.

I don't think they're going to nerf it now without removing the poetic caps at the same time. I don't feel that this is going to happen now. They need to keep people busy for 2 months. /rolleyes.

It's happened twice now.

"Why would they nerf the first Coil?"

And then they nerf it.

"Why would they nerf the second Coil?"

And then they nerf it.

Why do they nerf it? Because it's in the DF, for the general populace, they expect you to be able to clear it with random strangers who may or may not know the fight in the time allotted. That is not happening in it's current state, so it's going to be nerfed.

Again, this has happened for the last 2 Coils, I don't know why people think the last one suddenly won't get nerfed, especially if you're expecting the Echo to be added to begin with.

Instead of nerfing the fights, they should make Easy Mode versions that still allow you to progress but drop no loot. That way people can still unlock SCoB and FCoB, but if they want gear drops from previous turns they'll need to man up and do the real thing. I just think it's a shame that most people will never get to experience the turns in their intended form. Echo is one thing (as you'll still wipe if you fail certain mechanics - T5 is evidence of this), but dumbing down mechanics that are meant to have a learning curve is just wrong.

maintenance is done. no nerfs. everyone can chill for now :D

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Originally Posted by ClaireAbigail

maintenance is done. no nerfs. everyone can chill for now :D

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The hell? They finished really early tonight. I was expecting it to be down for another hour and a half or so.

There definitely will be some kind of nerf to FCOB before 3.0 arrives, along with the limit for Poetics being lifted, but that isn't happening tonight :p

People were expecting it tonight...?

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

People were expecting it tonight...?

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Surprisingly, yes.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

Adding echo will make turn 13 a lot easier as the biggest thing of it is handling burst damage on the tanks plus the DPS requirements to beat the enrage. Albeit, phase 2 will be icky as we already have to slow DPS to get the 3rd add before the phase change. With 130 gear surviving an exploding tower from mega flare is doable, we done that already XD.

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Wait what? I was talking about T12. o.o

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Originally Posted by Jamein

Don't make it T6/T7 all over again when the fights got turned into 'roll your face across the keyboard and collect your loot'

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You would be surprised at how bad DF groups can get if nobody explains anything. This one time, one dude got the entire party eaten by the first Devour, and another where the Tanks and Healers were petrified for most of the fight. xD

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Originally Posted by FyrmurlFloerasksyn

Surprisingly, yes.

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Second Coil nerfs were implemented 2 weeks after 2.4, no? Why would that thought be surprising?

Does it need to be nerf? No IF u have a static and can practice over and over. Yes IF you don't have one, to motivate people to do it more of them and get it complete. Pug wise

So in other words. The next patch should some along with a 15% echo as expansion is coming in less than 2 months.

People with static need to stop being a tosser and acting at if they were better than others and get real that NO every got a static to clear fcob. This doesn't mean we are newbies or we less experienced than people with static. Our disadvantage Is that we haven't got a group of people to practice with. As simple as that. Someone that clears coil on the first week is not better than someone that clears it 3 months after.

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

Second Coil nerfs were implemented 2 weeks after 2.4, no? Why would that thought be surprising?

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This. As I recall, the patch notes for that went up when the maintenance began. There was no advance warning. It's not at all unreasonable to have thought tonight might have been the night. Personally I'm glad it wasn't.

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Originally Posted by Mature

Does it need to be nerf? No IF u have a static and can practice over and over. Yes IF you don't have one, to motivate people to do it more of them and get it complete. Pug wise

So in other words. The next patch should some along with a 15% echo as expansion is coming in less than 2 months.

People with static need to stop being a tosser and acting at if they were better than others and get real that NO every got a static to clear fcob. This doesn't mean we are newbies or we less experienced than people with static. Our disadvantage Is that we haven't got a group of people to practice with. As simple as that. Someone that clears coil on the first week is not better than someone that clears it 3 months after.

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Your forum name is Mature, and yet you've just told people in static groups to stop being tossers, very mature of you.

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Originally Posted by Mature

Does it need to be nerf? No IF u have a static and can practice over and over. Yes IF you don't have one, to motivate people to do it more of them and get it complete. Pug wise

So in other words. The next patch should some along with a 15% echo as expansion is coming in less than 2 months.

People with static need to stop being a tosser and acting at if they were better than others and get real that NO every got a static to clear fcob. This doesn't mean we are newbies or we less experienced than people with static. Our disadvantage Is that we haven't got a group of people to practice with. As simple as that. Someone that clears coil on the first week is not better than someone that clears it 3 months after.

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T10/T11/T12 can be cleared in PF groups, since the lockout was lifted I've been going on my offspecs to gear them up.
It doesn't NEED to be nerfed, echo though is a perfectly fine as no one can complain about that, if you don't like it you are able to turn it off.
Also, you don't NEED a static for all of FCOB, t13 is about the only one that is a stretch for a PF group (although I've seen a fair few clear it in PF, but none of them have been first time kills so I would say they don't count.)

Forgive me for not wanting the only end game content in the game to be nerfed into the ground like t6/t7 was, I'm fine with echo I can turn that off if I feel like it, but nerfing it just means I'll be even more bored for 3 months facerolling the same things over and over (even more so than people are already doing already anyway).

Thank god it wasn't nerfed yet. I want to down T13 in its Prime x3

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Originally Posted by Anemone_Valesti

Thank god it wasn't nerfed yet. I want to down T13 in its Prime x3

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This! My static's on the final phase of T12 at the moment and if all goes well we'll be heading into T13 this weekend. I want to finish this the way they envisioned it.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0Gr5ZmwAAG...+Ornothing.jpg

Just because.

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Originally Posted by Velox

They never nerf the final turns in each Coil set anyway, so you know it's a troll post. Would have been more believable if he left out the T13 part.

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Jeah, i realised the moment i took the time to actually read what he wrote ^^

first shot was a natural reaction to every statement someone made up