I am fuming badly right now. Details inside.

So I queued for The Lost City of Amdapor for an animus book, and after over half an hour of waiting it pops. Keep in mind I'm a Dragoon. Okay, so once inside everything is going great, but then on first boss when we had it down to around 5%, the tank ended up dying as he started running from the boss. This was after the healer had died. Both the Monk and I finished the boss and of course waited for the others after they respawned at start. About 20 secs later screen goes black and I get the message in chat "You have been dismissed from both the party and the duty." I was shocked. There was never anything said about anything in chat during the entire run. I have been playing since beta and have never had this happen even once in the history of the game. In fact this has never happened in my 15 year history with MMOs. And no this was not a case of me doing something wrong. Easy boss. Done a million times. Avoid the AOEs including the toxic puddles. Whenever it swallows a party member, attack that part to free the party member, then back to boss. Even worse the tank was not a very good one as he kept the boss in the toxic puddles for a good 10 secs before moving boss out so melee DPS could do their thing. So I stood outside the toxic puddle until he did. What's even more strange is that to kick, others would have to agree to the dismissal. Ironically, after searching the players, they are all from same FC. This whole thing is so bizarre I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone, or they intentionally do this for giggles or trolling and I'm not the first. The long queue combined with this has made me lose my desire to play the game. What kind of scum does something like that, especially to DPS that they know probably waited over half an hour to get in, and would have to spend another half hour or longer getting in?

Is there any way to message a player from another server? I'm on Leviathan. They are on Malboro.

Just gonna say real quick that calling people out by name is a no-no on the forums. Just throwing that out there for your sake.

The best advice I could give though is probably just to report those players if you feel they abused the vote kick function. Other than that, I wouldn't suggest trying to message them in any way so as not to escalate the situation. Take the high road :)

Remove their names. No naming and shaming/witch hunts on the forums.

I don't think there is a way to message them, though I could they are on my server. But you better remove those names from your post just for this reason. Its against the law of the land.

Report them for abuse of the kick function, considering their server/FC they were a premade so it was obvious trolling.
Also if you haven't done it yet, send me a tell or something, i'll make your life easier.

Why did the healer die? was somebody eaten and then one-shot?

If so... sorry, but that is dps fault.

That is a silly mistake that should never happen against the Goobbue.

Lol I know these players :D

Sorry, I removed the names. >_<

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Originally Posted by mp-please

Report them for abuse of the kick function, considering their server/FC they were a premade so it was obvious trolling.
Also if you haven't done it yet, send me a tell or something, i'll make your life easier.

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Thanks, I will keep that in mind. :)

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Why did the healer die? was somebody eaten and then one-shot?

If so... sorry, but that is dps fault.

That is a silly mistake that should never happen against the Goobbue.

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How is that DPS's fault when someone else gets eaten? DPS does not choose who it targets. DPS simply depletes the HP of the mouth so it releases who it ate, aka focus on that. The first time it ate someone was me and you can't DPS while eaten, then it ate healer. When it ate the healer someone put a marker on its mouth so people know to target it. I already had it targeted and attacking when the mark went up. I always switch to mouth moment it eats someone.

Sorry to hear. However, as everyone has stated. Take the names off, it'll be bad for you.

The only way I can see the healer dying is he/she was sucked inside the boss and dps was low on the mouth. I'm not sure what your dps was like or if it took awhile for you to start dpsing the mouth but that might be one reason. Another reason would be that the those guys heard that another dps from their FC needed to do that dungeon so they kicked to get that person in. OR perhaps low dps in the dungeon (even on trash) and they wanted to get through it quick and FC dps was willing to get them through faster.

I don't know, lots of reasons they would do this. Only thing you can really do is report them (if you feel this was unfair to you) and move on. I know it sucks to wait 30 min but, and I say this as I main NIN, that's just par for the course.

I don't think that contacting them would help or solve anything. There are only a few reasons why they have done it. Either you did something bad, they did something bad and rather blamed you or they were trolls.

Next time report them ingame for abusing votekick and explain the situation to GM or let it be. You will meet good players, you will meet bad players (I don't mean bad as noobs but bad in behavior).

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

I don't think there is a way to message them, though I could they are on my server. But you better remove those names from your post just for this reason. Its against the law of the land.

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Thank you, but I changed my mind about contacting them. It won't really fix anything. It was more out of "why?", but the more I think about it, the last thing I want to see or talk to are players like that.

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Originally Posted by Spykun

Another reason would be that the those guys heard that another dps from their FC needed to do that dungeon so they kicked to get that person in.

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This one is most likely.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

I don't think that contacting them would help or solve anything. There are only a few reasons why they have done it. Either you did something bad, they did something bad and rather blamed you or they were trolls.

Next time report them ingame for abusing votekick and explain the situation to GM or let it be. You will meet good players, you will meet bad players (I don't mean bad as noobs but bad in behavior).

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Yeah, I changed my mind about contacting them. It was definitely not something I did. The other DPS was a little higher geared than me as my iLv is 105 with my only i130 armor being my body. Legs and feet are i120. Everything else is i100 or i110, except 2 accessories at i90.

I can see trolling if what you're saying about your armor is true. The monk could have easily just pulled back and purposely watched the healer die, though this is all conjecture. I would just report them.

I spoke with the tank, he said the healer got angry because they kept asking you to attack the belly when she was trapped.

They didn't wipe the fight, even if they said mechanics mid-fight newbies tend to not read and play at the same time even veterans tend to do that. either way kicking a person from duty for failing at something and at the same time still winning the battle is considered abuse of the vote kick and harassment which is a reportable offense.

Only legit vote kicks are: player being an ass, player trolling the fight making wipes, player afking/locked out on purpose without saying anything.

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Originally Posted by HexWeaver

I spoke with the tank, he said the healer got angry because they kept asking you to attack the belly when she was trapped.

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No one said anything in chat and I was attacking it. I always switch target to that when someone is eaten. Moment healer got ate I switched targets, as I said, but DPS was unusually low, then I saw the 1 marker go up on it, which was weird as I thought that both DPS were attacking it and not just me.

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Originally Posted by h0tNstilettos

So I queued for The Lost City of Amdapor for an animus book, and after over half an hour of waiting it pops. Keep in mind I'm a Dragoon.

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I stopped reading here. You're a Dragoon, which means you deserve whatever you got. :p

Reap it.

Sounds like the other dps goofed, blamed you, same-FC-bias kicked in, you got kicked. Another classic example of vote kick abuse and apathetic inconsiderate humans proving the monkeysphere right if that's how it happened.

You could try reporting them, it won't do any good though. Believe it/agree with it or not, SE has stated that they do not get involved in "player disputes or disputes resulting from differences in playstyles." So basically, they won't help you if you're abused via the vote kick feature. Differing playstyles and player disputes can basically cover every reason for kicking.

Vote kick abuse has happened to me several times, and I've witnessed it happen to others many times, so I know from experience how it feels and that justice won't be done based on research I've done as a result of the experiences. I'll even post the GM quote to show you if you wish.

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Originally Posted by Kleptobrainiac

I stopped reading here. You're a Dragoon, which means you deserve whatever you got. :p

Reap it.

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Immature much?
I've been in groups with you a few times. Saved your sorry self when you got adds on you. I'll remember not to do that for you again...not that you ever healed me during the entire raid. Now I know why. I'm a dragoon.

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Originally Posted by h0tNstilettos

So I queued for The Lost City of Amdapor for an animus book, and after over half an hour of waiting it pops. Keep in mind I'm a Dragoon. Okay, so once inside everything is going great, but then on first boss when we had it down to around 5%, the tank ended up dying as he started running from the boss. .

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add me i'll dps with you on same world as you

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Originally Posted by T2teddy

Immature much?
I've been in groups with you a few times. Saved your sorry self when you got adds on you. I'll remember not to do that for you again...not that you ever healed me during the entire raid. Now I know why. I'm a dragoon.

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Lol...

1. It was a joke, you nut. Loosen up, aye.
2. I've never done a raid as a healer... so maybe you think I'm someone else? Please remind me so I can feel some form of guilt.

I think the official word on vote kick is it's not punishable, despite what the warnings say. No one has ever been called out for it, and the number of times it's been put to GM's the reason it's not followed up is because "it's a player dispute". Honestly, the whole vote kick system angers me because of how frequently it's abused and how little power the GM's seem to have over it.

Pro tip SE, don't put a warning on the vote kick if you're too scared to back it up with appropriate action against abuse.

I read about this abuse kicked plenty of times in forums and I finally experienced for the first time this morning while in Darkhold. Lv50 PLD trying to speed run it and is being stupid about, meanwhile, I'm leveling up DRG. After 2 wipes, I asked him to stop trying to speed run, and after the 3rd wipe, he kicked me. Seriously, some players do not deserve their relic weapon at all. SE need to take relic out of old dungeons, let them run World of Salt or whatever new raid for a 1000 times—let them try and speed run that instead—every 250 runs they get the next stage upgrade.

Same thing happened to me awhile back, just chalked it up to the idiot factor. Its not worth sweating over some morons you happened across in the DF...

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Originally Posted by h0tNstilettos

How is that DPS's fault when someone else gets eaten? DPS does not choose who it targets. DPS simply depletes the HP of the mouth so it releases who it ate, aka focus on that. The first time it ate someone was me and you can't DPS while eaten, then it ate healer. When it ate the healer someone put a marker on its mouth so people know to target it. I already had it targeted and attacking when the mark went up. I always switch to mouth moment it eats someone.

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One DPS is more than enough to break its hold, assuming players are doing their jobs.

In this described scenario you can freely blame this problem on the other dps.

Hey at least its not before the final boss.
I once got kicked in pre nerfed pharos right before the tyrant fight.
I just put down my controller and was like wtf. No wipes/ deaths and i even dps'd monsters as a healer. It just happened and there was nothing i can do except re qeue in progress and fck with them after :).
We cleared the dungeon but i gave em a good scolding. But yea
Wtf omg i don't even SE plz.

I don't think you are a victim of personal vendetta. As a matter of fact its quite the opposite, lots of people will get an FC call, then kick the only member on party that's not FC and let their mate join party in progress.

They are probably all on TS3 or something, that's why there's no communication via chat log at all.

I hope you reported them.

The moment this actually ever happens to me I'll probably just start recording my dungeon runs on my ps4, now that it has that convenient feature. That way I get definitive proof, and the GM's will have no choice but to take action

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I think the official word on vote kick is it's not punishable, despite what the warnings say. No one has ever been called out for it, and the number of times it's been put to GM's the reason it's not followed up is because "it's a player dispute". Honestly, the whole vote kick system angers me because of how frequently it's abused and how little power the GM's seem to have over it.

Pro tip SE, don't put a warning on the vote kick if you're too scared to back it up with appropriate action against abuse.

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^ this. SE needs to man the ×××× up, define clear rules and take sides and investigate such cases and serve due punishment in due time - in so many matters I can't even keep track of it. Only today this is the third thread I read where this is being said. And the fact that it has to be said is just - sad.

Eh something here doesn't add up. One TC you just admitted something about the fight that tells me that you don't know much about the mechanics. You CAN pass the target/tether onto someone else by moving over another person btw. You said you can't but in fact you actually can. Your ilvl is 105, that's pretty low. I wouldn't say low enough that you wouldn't be able to do that dungeon but it's still low. Low enough that one dps couldn't break you out of the mouth? possible.


We now know that the reason they kicked you was because you weren't dpsing the mouth to break out the healer. You admitted that the healer died. There's only a very few ways for a healer to die in that fight but the common one is that they get eaten and they don't get broken out of the mouth. But you're saying that you did dps the mouth but dps seemed unusually low. One dps is enough to break someone out as the mouth is weak. Somethings not adding up sadly. That's really the only way I can see the healer dying. So since they died from not being broken out of the mouth but you were dpsing the mouth then only two things can come out of this.

Either you were dpsing the mouth like you said you were and the other dps wasn't. But your dps wasn't good enough to break them out so they died and put full blame on you for it. Or you're lying and you weren't dpsing the mouth and the healer died and they removed you. Don't know what to tell you other than move on from it honestly.

Yet another reason to not pug, and run with a FC.

I'm going to assume it all comes down to "lol drg"

You may have performed flawlessly, but people's preconceived notions of dragoons bias them. They probably thought it was your fault they died, somehow.

Because how could they ever do wrong, they aren't dragoons. [/sarcasm]

Yet another case for disabling the votekick feature if 2 or more players are in the same FC or only counting their votes as 1.

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Originally Posted by Kiyashi

Eh something here doesn't add up. One TC you just admitted something about the fight that tells me that you don't know much about the mechanics. You CAN pass the target/tether onto someone else by moving over another person btw. You said you can't but in fact you actually can. Your ilvl is 105, that's pretty low. I wouldn't say low enough that you wouldn't be able to do that dungeon but it's still low. Low enough that one dps couldn't break you out of the mouth? possible.


We now know that the reason they kicked you was because you weren't dpsing the mouth to break out the healer. You admitted that the healer died. There's only a very few ways for a healer to die in that fight but the common one is that they get eaten and they don't get broken out of the mouth. But you're saying that you did dps the mouth but dps seemed unusually low. One dps is enough to break someone out as the mouth is weak. Somethings not adding up sadly. That's really the only way I can see the healer dying. So since they died from not being broken out of the mouth but you were dpsing the mouth then only two things can come out of this.

Either you were dpsing the mouth like you said you were and the other dps wasn't. But your dps wasn't good enough to break them out so they died and put full blame on you for it. Or you're lying and you weren't dpsing the mouth and the healer died and they removed you. Don't know what to tell you other than move on from it honestly.

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OP was trapped first and the other dps broke him out all by himself. He should've been able to free the healer regardless of what OP was doing.

And the other common way for healers to die here is to not know what Esuna or Leeches does.

To me, it sounds like they were talking over voice chat and not understanding why the pug dps wasn't answering.

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Originally Posted by Arcsol93

The moment this actually ever happens to me I'll probably just start recording my dungeon runs on my ps4, now that it has that convenient feature. That way I get definitive proof, and the GM's will have no choice but to take action

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I've been thinking, if we post recorded video of gameplay without editing it or providing additional editorial comment, then we can't get in trouble for 'name & shaming' people who guest star in a gameplay video where they do/say abusive things to other players right? I haven't been the victim of vote kick abuse, but I do have a bunch of clips saved up from where tanks/healers instabailed duty roulette dungeons they didn't want leaving their party in limbo, or who left after the second boss in a dungeon because they just wanted to get the myth tome bonus vs go to the end for soldiery from final boss. So I'm hoping to broadcast my collection of gameplay vids one day and if people in them happen to be doing things they don't want others to see, then it's on them for doing them in the first place.

You don't want to message them. Nothing good will come of it.
My advice to you is to just let it go. People are jerks, and much worse could have happened to you. Requeue and move on.

If you're really upset about it: consider playing another class, consider making friends to play with, and consider using Party Finder.
You've actually had REALLY good luck in DF if this is the only problem you've ever had. I run DF regularly and get problems like that almost every day.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Yet another case for disabling the votekick feature if 2 or more players are in the same FC or only counting their votes as 1.

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For every one case like this, though, there are 5 where it's warranted.
Besides there were 3 people in the group that were in the same FC, and the person being kicked doesn't get a vote. Even if their vote only counts as 1, the person still gets kicked, thus that idea solves nothing.