Lootmaster system doesn't fix the problem with raid gear.

The “lootmaster” system will allow the party’s master to distribute lottable items. For example, before entering content you’ll be able to establish item lotting rights in chat, so please be sure to put this to use. Additionally, we’ll be making it possible to do a single take-back on items you accidentally needed or greeded on.

So is there more to the new loot system or is this it? Basically the Party leader can be in charge of who gets what, and if you screw up and win something you didn't want you can discard/trade it for another chance?

Never Mind They decided to add "Additionally, unlike the Coil of Bahamut, players will be able to re-enter a floor in Alexander even if you have cleared it (similar to the Crystal Tower). You will be able to challenge it as many times as you wish until you obtain the item that you want. Also, even if you Need on an item, you will still be able to help others with the progression of Alexander." under some Direct X11 info, They should have added that part to the loot post. Sorry.

Read the Live Letter more.

They confirmed Primals will be switching to a tokens based system and Alexandar will too (though slightly different to the primals loot system).

I'm generally never a fan of these lootmaster rules and I don't think it will fix anything. It generally leads to greed and loot councils which i hate with a passion personally.

if you had kept reading the thread you would have seen it said that we could keep doing a turn until we got a piece of gear. and even then you could still enter to help friends with progression.

i can see the lootmaster leading to players ninja looting and loot locking more then it will help people and it more of a raid thing for people using a dkp system. personally ive never liked master loot systems as it can do more harm then good if put in the wrong hands

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Originally Posted by bennettaj

if you had kept reading the thread you would have seen it said that we could keep doing a turn until we got a piece of gear. and even then you could still enter to help friends with progression.

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Hence the Question......

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Originally Posted by Arkista

So is there more to the new loot system or is this it? .

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right. im responding to the "gear we actually need cuz drop rate is horrendous to my group" portion. this seems to fix it a tad bit. but some unfortunate people may need to run it a billion times before it drops lol

i could only see this really being a problem for pugs. i have a raid group and cant imagine this being a problem anyway because we sorta figure who gets which drop first anyway like most groups i'd imagine. but i can definitely foresee this being a big issue with greedy pugs and all that jazz

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Originally Posted by bennettaj

right. im responding to the "gear we actually need cuz drop rate is horrendous to my group" portion. this seems to fix it a tad bit. but some unfortunate people may need to run it a billion times before it drops lol

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I'm glad they did it right for this raid. I haven't raid since T6 came out, I went those last 3 months before T6 without seeing a MNK piece drop, So I feel your pain.

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Originally Posted by Remus

I'm generally never a fan of these lootmaster rules and I don't think it will fix anything. It generally leads to greed and loot councils which i hate with a passion personally.

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It's just an option though according to the translation. You don't need to join a party that has it enabled anyway. Options are nice.

I just hope the primal token system isn't like how ifrit and mog wer like in 1.0 random drop and only one person gets it can't remember if in Garuda every one got one.

Considering I averaged 1 piece of gear every 2 months in Final Coil (even after clearing T13) I'm glad they're realizing that plenty of raiders are being screwed over by a general lockout. The only thing is, if the Savage version of Alexander is anything like Savage T7 it's going to make replaying it pretty rough even for some of the most focused groups where the simplest mistake will lead to a wipe almost instantly. Oh well, it's the thought that counts more than anything and I welcome any chance I can get to break my previous horrible drop luck.

All the new loot systems will be disabled in DF. You'll only be able to do Lootmaster in a premade, and if you don't like that system then you can avoid it entirely.

Most farming parties will probably use Greed Only, both to increase their own chances of getting something and to prevent the trust issues that would prevent someone from joining a Lootmaster party.

The real problem here is the gil-bidding system, since that hugely favours the rich players. But I suppose SE has to put their gilsinks in somewhere...

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Originally Posted by Jacost

All the new loot systems will be disabled in DF. You'll only be able to do Lootmaster in a premade, and if you don't like that system then you can avoid it entirely.

Most farming parties will probably use Greed Only, both to increase their own chances of getting something and to prevent the trust issues that would prevent someone from joining a Lootmaster party.

The real problem here is the gil-bidding system, since that hugely favours the rich players. But I suppose SE has to put their gilsinks in somewhere...

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Well actually that gil bidding system could work incredibly well if they design it so the winning bid has that gil split between the players that didn't win the item. It would make for a fairly nice consolation prize for anyone that didn't win...

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Well actually that gil bidding system could work incredibly well if they design it so the winning bid has that gil split between the players that didn't win the item. It would make for a fairly nice consolation prize for anyone that didn't win...

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But also on the flip side, it would make players more likely to roll on things that they neither need nor want, in an attempt for the gil itself. Not gonna lie, I would.

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Originally Posted by Dererk

I just hope the primal token system isn't like how ifrit and mog wer like in 1.0 random drop and only one person gets it can't remember if in Garuda every one got one.

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Nah, Yoshida said yesterday that everyone in the group would get one and you would probably need something like 10 to exchange for the item you want.

Just to clarify, Alexander normal mode will have no weekly loot lockout while hard mode WILL contain a lockout.

OMFG. they are finally doing something about weekly locked RNG loot mess. i cannot believe it. our prays have been heared :D

this can only be better than current system.

sad to see : new hardmode raid and weekly stones will come even later. 4 weeks after 23th june. so plenty of time to level DRK i guess :D

Lootmaster is a bad idea because if you ever played WoW you know you saw all day shouts about people ninjaing gear or mounts with lootmaster.

In FFXIV someone is going to set up a party in PF pick 2 items or whatever but it also drops a rare 1% mount. The guy is going to set lootmaster and say it is so he can give people the drops they picked. But when the mount drops he is just going to take it for himself.