Why would someone chose a concept of useless event rewards?

Hello,
I mean I have played a couple of MMOs where seasonal events were a good way for newcomers to make some good fortune. In FFXIV it would mean that the lucky eggs would have for example a small (but not relic quest small) chance of dropping materias and expensive materials.

I know that it would change prices of materials and materias for a few weeks but then the prices would return to normal, so there will be no permanent harm to economics but the events will be more profitable and will live longer than day or two (because now people get their rewards and mostly don't bother wasting their time for a few allagan pieces).

It's not like they always do this. For Christmas you had a chance to get a Thavnairian Onion I think.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

It's not like they always do this. For Christmas you had a chance to get a Thavnairian Onion I think.

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I would call that an exception to the rule.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Hello,
I mean I have played a couple of MMOs where seasonal events were a good way for newcomers to make some good fortune. In FFXIV it would mean that the lucky eggs would have for example a small (but not relic quest small) chance of dropping materias and expensive materials.

I know that it would change prices of materials and materias for a few weeks but then the prices would return to normal, so there will be no permanent harm to economics but the events will be more profitable and will live longer than day or two (because now people get their rewards and mostly don't bother wasting their time for a few allagan pieces).

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Faster solution: dont like the rewards -> dont do the events.

The said events are designed to be fun / fast / optional stuff hence they drop fun stuff such as furniture, glamor gear or minions. you have trillions of other activites to provide you with gils / materias / sceals or whatever.

It's a seasonal Holiday event, it's just a little something you can do for fun if you want the rewards and Achievements granted by it. I do them because I like seasonal events and I'm a little sad that I missed out on getting the New Years housing items, since I had no idea there were housing items during that event until after it was finished, because they weren't part of the actual event quests and I apparently must have overlooked the vendor.

It isn't something anyone has to participate in, but some people (like me) enjoy doing them regardless of what the rewards are. It honestly doesn't matter that much. I enjoy collecting season event stuff since back when I used to play FFXI.

I rather provide feedback and try to find solution benefitable for the most people (these, who dont want to do it more times dont have to, these, who want more rewards, can do it till end) than using empty phrases like "dont like it, dont do it."
I do every event, because I like them, I am just saying that better rewards from the "usable" stuff would make the event more repeat-worthy. Thats all.

If you were to give materias and expensive items then these items would lose all their value and the market would be broken, it's a terrible idea.

Events should give fun items, unfortunately easter event is as lame as last year, only a few bad looking items ( I didn't even bother to do the quest last year ).

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

It's not like they always do this. For Christmas you had a chance to get a Thavnairian Onion I think.

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Two events in a row with nothing but furnishings.. Cherry tree was okay I guess.. but an egg floor lamp? SE needs to up their event game! Perhaps it's because the events are constantly on-going and they can't provide one-time only items that are too good.. But still, I was disappointed to see Easter event rewards..

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

I rather provide feedback and try to find solution benefitable for the most people (these, who dont want to do it more times dont have to, these, who want more rewards, can do it till end) than using empty phrases like "dont like it, dont do it."
I do every event, because I like them, I am just saying that better rewards from the "usable" stuff would make the event more repeat-worthy. Thats all.

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If you provide valuable stuff in the seasonal events, you would change the motivation for doing them. People would be doing the seasonal events not because they want to, but because they feel like they would *need* to in order to take advantage of a limited time bonus in productivity. It would also cause dissatisfaction for people who were originally supplying the market for the items that the seasonal event gives out before everyone could get them.

Keep the items received from seasonal events exclusive, non-trade-able, and something that wont give your character the advantage. Although I agree that the current Easter event doesn't really have anything worth getting, but that's because none of the stuff looks good, not because we should be getting free materia. Keep it to things like bardings, minions, glamour gear, and furnishings.

I hope that the seasonal events continue to not have anything game effecting - like material or crafting items and instead focus on vanity items or housing items. Those with homes can enjoy them and those without homes can wait until housing gets expanded (such as in the new Ishgard area - who knows?). Silly minions, vanity items and stuff I'm fine with for seasonal events and mog station stuff. It doesn't impact gameplay and is there for the 'fun'.

Please, do not make seasonal events have lasting impact on anything else.

I love my egg floor lamp tyvm!

While I agree the event items have been a bit lackluster lately, I don't agree with your proposed changes. Instead, I'd prefer they put a little more time and effort into the rewards while still keeping them strictly vanity/housing items.

I have yet to find a mmo that has great events, I have tried Aion (in the past), and have always played ffxi, wow and rift, none of which offer great events nor great rewards imo. Out of the ones I play, I would have to give Rift top rating on events I guess.

So .....ffxiv events seem to be in line with the majority of games I have played, some years the ocassional cool thing may be added but mostly they are ALL repeats of last years event, some with the exact rewards even :mad: (im looking at you WoW) lol

Mind you I do like the fact they are relatively short in duration in this game, my days of grinding until I puke have been over for a few years now O.o (just have 0 interest in excessive grinding, simply dont like drool inducing content)

As for the rewards themselves, the last 2 have had 1 vanity item and furniture.....again thats a very personal thing, I adore furniture since I do own a home BUT cant enjoy it tooo much having to constantly remove an item to add another with such ridiculous limits.

The vanity stuff?...I love vanity too! but tbh I would prefer a full set of attire every event, yup every event a new set available.
Also not always a joke outfit like the snowman /redindeer/gawdy sugarloaf hat etc... time to add some very stylish outfits for events plz and ty SE!!!

..we are flooded with terrible looking egg hats, horsehead kabutos, an horribly oversized chocobo head, a nerdy valentines outfit..errrr! Its good to have some but not all event clothing has to look foolish Oo...{no thanks} :p

The swimsuits were a nice idea but should have been plain + dyeable

Also many ppl im sure would prefer minions ...not vanity nor furniture, some would like a mount, or bardings....or a new hairstyle or emote! There are tons of possible ideas but very few seem to make it ingame.

I dont expect to see any improvement to events nor rewards, even once xpac hits, I have a gut feeing this is as good as they get, which is OK..no biggie imo, just something to redo in an hour if you kinda like the current rewards and if not then no loss.

So.... i did the event, grabbed a pair of earrings, and will definately not get any extra eggs .......for a silver piece..

The idea of putting vendor trash inside lucky eggs is.... pardon me but, stupid and not fun. Nothing to be excited about, at all. It's like getting a pair of regular socks for Christmas from Santa. Would be much more fun if there were a small chance of a U/U vanity item (no market value) inside. Somehow I managed to get a stack of 99 lucky eggs. Be damned if I bother to open them....

I wouldn't mind the housing items in seasonal events....

IF I ACTUALLY HAD A HOUSING PLOT TO BUY!

Seriously we got 2 months until the expansion and already all of the plots on Cerberus are gone!!!

*stares at the pile of 16 million gil I saved up*

Useless event rewards? Here we go with another selfish entitlement thread. The rewards are glamour items and the eggs drop 10,000 gil coins. Nothing about them is useless.

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Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind

I wouldn't mind the housing items in seasonal events....

IF I ACTUALLY HAD A HOUSING PLOT TO BUY!

Seriously we got 2 months until the expansion and already all of the plots on Cerberus are gone!!!

*stares at the pile of 16 million gil I saved up*

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On a side note though....

Keeping hold of that moon top xmas tree was the best thing I ever did.

*Puts it on the market for 10 million gil, because no one else has it*

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

I rather provide feedback and try to find solution benefitable for the most people (these, who dont want to do it more times dont have to, these, who want more rewards, can do it till end) than using empty phrases like "dont like it, dont do it."
I do every event, because I like them, I am just saying that better rewards from the "usable" stuff would make the event more repeat-worthy. Thats all.

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You're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist though.

The thing about the seasonal events is that anyone can partake in them, from the lowly green-leafed level 5 to the overpowered-and-then-some level 50. The rewards have to be fitting to everyone that's taking part, not just the latter level of participants. As such, it only makes sense that the rewards be little more than glamour bait and floor dressing. I mean, really, how could the green-leafed level 5 ever enjoy a piece of equipment geared for an overpowered-and-then-some level 50? That's a really mean bit of carrot-sticking there, don't you think?

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

So .....ffxiv events seem to be in line with the majority of games I have played, some years the ocassional cool thing may be added but mostly they are ALL repeats of last years event, some with the exact rewards even :mad: (im looking at you WoW) lol

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This isn't true, actually. While the principles of each event have remained the same, the circumstances and story behind each even have been different.
Hell even the prizes are different. Last year the easter even had hats, this year they have earrings, just as an example.
It's not like they just flip on a switch, they actually take the time to make each holiday event different from, and accounting for, the previous year.
Also they CANNOT offer anything competitive for limited time events otherwise you really do risk hurting the economy, and they need to keep things scaled since these quests are technically designed for lower level players.
To give an example, the prizes for the regular seasonal events are pretty paltry, but can be done at any level. The lightning event, which rewards an entire outfit and weapons for every single class in addition to a unique hairstyle, actually has a requirement of lvl 44 to complete.
Basically, there needs to be risk involved for the prizes to be better. There's currently no real risk beyond around lvl 35 for most of the events, so there's no reason to make the prizes better.

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

The idea of putting vendor trash inside lucky eggs is.... pardon me but, stupid and not fun. Nothing to be excited about, at all. It's like getting a pair of regular socks for Christmas from Santa. Would be much more fun if there were a small chance of a U/U vanity item (no market value) inside. Somehow I managed to get a stack of 99 lucky eggs. Be damned if I bother to open them....

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The main point of the eggs in the first place is so that they're a form of currency to be passed in for the other event items you can get. Why did you do the event that many times? After I got my earrings and the lamp, there's not much point in doing it beyond that for me. That's 16 eggs. If after you get all those and you have lucky eggs left over....what's the point in keeping them? This gives us something to do with the extras instead of just throwing them out or having them sit in your inventory/retainer. It's not much but it is something. I'll never understand people's reasoning on complaining that they're not getting enough free stuff for partaking in a social event.

Any of the holiday events have always been about social items being made available. The reasoning behind providing other kinds of rewards that would be more beneficial to us was mentioned already.

I also disagree with OP. I don't want game-breaking stuff to be added to events. You either like doing it or not.

However, it would be nice to spice event rewards a bit with some extra fun stuff. We have done more than one event where your character is transformed into a monster or different character. Why not do like ffxi (I know, this isn't ffxi, but still), and add an item with infinite uses you can use to transform into something else (in open world, unable to attack or whatever) just for fun?

In this particular event we can transform, and it's lovely. Please, let us have an item to transform into spriggan / bat / other stuff you have already done before. It's something fun and it does not break the game.

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Originally Posted by Blaon

I also disagree with OP. I don't want game-breaking stuff to be added to events. You either like doing it or not.

However, it would be nice to spice event rewards a bit with some extra fun stuff. We have done more than one event where your character is transformed into a monster or different character. Why not do like ffxi (I know, this isn't ffxi, but still), and add an item with infinite uses you can use to transform into something else (in open world, unable to attack or whatever) just for fun?

In this particular event we can transform, and it's lovely. Please, let us have an item to transform into spriggan / bat / other stuff you have already done before. It's something fun and it does not break the game.

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A ring of transformation would be awesome. Or a stack of consumables that change you as well.

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Originally Posted by Failia

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I did fates with friends as they logged on for fun. Either way, how I got 99 lucky eggs is irrelevant. I would be quite happy if not all of the items could be traded for eggs. Instead, one of the earrings, or the lamp could have a decently balanced % of dropping when you open a lucky egg. That's not asking for "more free stuff". Then we wouldn't have to say that once you get 16 there is not much point in doing them. At least not that soon. As it is we can engage the item in our inventory but it's not very engaging to do so.... to put it that way. Just like coffers in dungeons. Not that fun, whereas it wouldn't take much to just tweak the system a little and make people smile instead of frown when they open one of those eggs.

FFXI events were better. They seemed more unique and interesting not just "do X fetch quests" + "complete Y Fate" and the items you got actually had some usefulness.

Like there was a staff with the "Warp" enchantment and some of these items let you proc Abby lights because of the versatility of what jobs could use them. Give me something like an Eternity Ring, let me teleport for free every X amount of time or cast Protect/Stoneskin/something else so many times.

Even if you keep items as 99% vanity, at least make the vanity something decent. Like the robes for 1500 commendations and 3000 fates are the same model just different colors. Who wants to wear Egg earrings?

In SE's defense though, these changes do take more development time and what looks good vanity-wise is pretty subjective.

This thread:
"Hey, wouldn't it be cool if the events gave something other than glamour accessories no one will actually be able to see and furniture you'll only use for a month? Some kind of tradable good would help newbies get in the game and make a little bit of money, and it would even make the markets for some ultra-rare goods actually significantly healthier than they are now!"

"HOW DARE YOU, YOU ENTITLED TRASH, YOU WILL CRASH EVERY MARKET AT ONCE WITH YOUR GREED AND IGNORANCE. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW A MARKET WOOOOORKS WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY STABILIZE BACK AT THEIR NORMAL POINTS AFTER SUPPLY BOOMS"

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Originally Posted by Blaon

In this particular event we can transform, and it's lovely. Please, let us have an item to transform into spriggan / bat / other stuff you have already done before.

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This is really an awesome idea! Totally support this.

What i would like to see in events:

- More transformations.
- Sexy / weird outfits . But not only a headpiece right.
- Lore / FF related minions like Edvya or Shatotto. Could also be some weapons or gear skins.
- More stuff from previous FF.
- Since the 3.0 is coming they could make an event where you could get iconic" 2.0 stuff such as, i dunno, a Titan minion, a T4 dread minion or a Twintania like the mini mirdgarmsor.
- Moar Hildibrand related stuff even tho its unlikely to see this in an eventnt.

Whiners gonna ask for free grade IV materias for their novus or more poetics/sceals like dropped by 100% of the other content... Please dont do that. This will break the "magic touch" of these events.

Maybe a limited time event trial that drops cool vanity items or a mount. Like headless horsemen in WOW (I hate wow now but it was awesome back in the day). I would definitely go for something like that.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Hello,
I mean I have played a couple of MMOs where seasonal events were a good way for newcomers to make some good fortune. In FFXIV it would mean that the lucky eggs would have for example a small (but not relic quest small) chance of dropping materias and expensive materials.

I know that it would change prices of materials and materias for a few weeks but then the prices would return to normal, so there will be no permanent harm to economics but the events will be more profitable and will live longer than day or two (because now people get their rewards and mostly don't bother wasting their time for a few allagan pieces).

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Yuck no. Go play Mabinogi to quickly see how fun is inversely proportionate to the rewards. There is a reason why every second event over there is a "AFK-Fishing" event (and the servers being full for hours.) Because it lets people just farm pots and materials they want, and since they are untradeable, people just stock up on what they want and never have to buy anything crafted ever again. I guarantee you people won't bother to buy anything they can stock up from an event. It's not fun for people who miss the event or who would normally gather/craft those things.

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Originally Posted by Ultear_Milkovich

This is really an awesome idea! Totally support this.

What i would like to see in events:

- More transformations.

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Transformations ... once everyone has them, they never have any reason to use them. The more or less "correct" way to play with the transformations is to have it work like the mount summon (see Magitek Armor) where when transformed, you only have access to skills available in the "pet bar"'s transformed state. This would also allow for some silly transformations effects that otherwise would make no sense (eg, the "egg throwing")

A second level (partial) transformation could also be possible where it's still possible to play the game as you would normally. In this case it would need to be an actual gear item so it can be equipped/unequipped. For example "feather wings" or "dragon wings" would replace the item in the necklace slot, while something that changes the players head would replace the item in the earrings slot.

But if there is no way to keep the transformations after the event ends, you won't see many people bother. It would actually be better to put such things into a dedicated class that works like an "Esper" (See FF6)

The rampant use of "untradeable" gear makes most events not worth doing unless you personally want the item.

from the 2.55 patch notes:

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The following seasonal items can now be sold on the Market Board:
Empty Twinkleboxes / Sheep Dolls / Hard Rice Cakes / Stuffed Qiqirn / Starlight Wreath / Star-topped Starlight Sentinel / Moon-topped Starlight Sentinel / Sun-topped Starlight Sentinel / Snowman / Empty Gift Boxes / Kadomatsu / Starlight Interior Wall / Flame of Passion

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Kadomatsu get sold for 60k in the MB on Ragnarok
Sheep Dolls for 100k

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

The idea of putting vendor trash inside lucky eggs is.... pardon me but, stupid and not fun. Nothing to be excited about, at all. It's like getting a pair of regular socks for Christmas from Santa. Would be much more fun if there were a small chance of a U/U vanity item (no market value) inside. Somehow I managed to get a stack of 99 lucky eggs. Be damned if I bother to open them....

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Buy lamps, trade them to another character and wait until they are sellable in the Market Board.
Or trade them after the event with using Party Finder.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Yuck no. Go play Mabinogi to quickly see how fun is inversely proportionate to the rewards. There is a reason why every second event over there is a "AFK-Fishing" event (and the servers being full for hours.) Because it lets people just farm pots and materials they want, and since they are untradeable, people just stock up on what they want and never have to buy anything crafted ever again. I guarantee you people won't bother to buy anything they can stock up from an event. It's not fun for people who miss the event or who would normally gather/craft those things.

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Sorry but using p2w game as an example is a bit exaggerating.

Why can there not be events that are done just for fun, vanity or silly titles? Why does everything have to award gear or other items useful to progress? this is a game isn't it? Something we play for fun? the whole point of games it to play for fun, not to play for some form of alternate career progression. We don't all work for Oracle and progress up the ladder by losing to the boss at racquetball....